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some people just arent equipped to deal with the world and/or other people, for whatever reasons. best we can do for them is give them food and shelter for free

some people just arent equipped to deal with the world and/or other people, for whatever reasons. best we can do for them is give them food and shelter for free. its not like theyre gonna go and have incredible amounts of fun, theyre by definition fkd. dont know why people want to see them suffer more than necessary its quite inhumane. edit: was kinda replying to one of the comments further down but somehow posted as a top level. plz forgive.

ksynwa 2y ago
The reason something like this is unacceptable in USA is because it will drive down property prices and increase wages because people can choose to not work multiple terrible jobs just to barely make food and rent.
- globalnode 2y ago
  ofc it would have economic impacts. but do we as a society really want to take advantage of our most vulnerable as is happening now? its the same with the basic income debate. healthy people most likely wouldnt just take it and do nothing but live off handouts, theyd be bored and start thinking up ways to fill their time -- potentially creating more economic benefits or some may voluntarily choose to do shitty jobs for extra income. if a product is of vital human importance and business cant get it done then govt can ensure its production. it wouldnt be an end to capitalism it would just be a more sustainable approach.
  - chatmasta 2y ago
    > advantage of our most vulnerable as is happening now? its the same with the basic income debate I’m pretty sure it’s the same debate. If you distinguish between the two then it becomes a different debate. But the whole point of basic income is that everyone gets a baseline check every month, regardless of whether or how they spend it. Even with basic income you’d still have homeless people who spent the money on things other than homes.
  - ksynwa 2y ago
    "We as a society" don't really decide on anything. The power to make laws and the power required to enforce them rest in the hands of a select few wealthy people who stand to lose money from the dissolution of manufactured scarcity and precarity. Policies like universal healthcare are viewed favourably by the American public especially when presented without the dressing of red scare but something like that (which many developed countries have to varying extent) does not even come close to being considered in the House and Senate because it would make Wall Street very uncomfortable.
michelsedgh 2y ago
I don’t think that’s the case actually. Your upbringing and society matters a lot. There are many countries with very low homeless rate and if you go to Europe, they have homeless but they are not even close to the homeless we have in the US. I am in Los Angeles and I have never seen anything like the situation here and I don’t think there is any if you go around the world. Maybe in the worst neighborhoods in third world countries. Even in Iran the homeless were not like they are here and I was raised there. Something is fundamentally wrong here
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  I live in CA too. Go look at what Houston did. Look at what CA did. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-off-with-californias-homelessness-spending/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-o... WE spent 42k per homeless person. We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense.
  - michelsedgh 2y ago
    Then there would be no money left for corrupt politicians here what do u mean? ;)
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense. No, you can't. You can not give the homeless apartments and I do mean that literally. "I pay for your rent, food, water, electricity and give you money for alcohol" isn't a good enough incentive for homeless people to stop being homeless. If it were homeless people wouldn't exist here in Germany, yet they do.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  Europe certainly has way better social safety nets, so that really support GP’s call to provide basic support to all people in the USA. That’s probably not the only issue here but it’s a big one.
akira2501 2y ago
> is give them food and shelter for free They won't all take it. In particular the shelter. You can force them to suddenly be domestic or to live under someone else's rules. > dont know why people want to see them suffer more than necessary That's the hard part. Many of them positively take actions that make themselves suffer. Drug use in particular. If you've ever had a schizophrenic family member you know precisely this pain.

ksynwa 2y ago

The reason something like this is unacceptable in USA is because it will drive down property prices and increase wages because people can choose to not work multiple terrible jobs just to barely make food and rent.

globalnode 2y ago
ofc it would have economic impacts. but do we as a society really want to take advantage of our most vulnerable as is happening now? its the same with the basic income debate. healthy people most likely wouldnt just take it and do nothing but live off handouts, theyd be bored and start thinking up ways to fill their time -- potentially creating more economic benefits or some may voluntarily choose to do shitty jobs for extra income. if a product is of vital human importance and business cant get it done then govt can ensure its production. it wouldnt be an end to capitalism it would just be a more sustainable approach.
- chatmasta 2y ago
  > advantage of our most vulnerable as is happening now? its the same with the basic income debate I’m pretty sure it’s the same debate. If you distinguish between the two then it becomes a different debate. But the whole point of basic income is that everyone gets a baseline check every month, regardless of whether or how they spend it. Even with basic income you’d still have homeless people who spent the money on things other than homes.
- ksynwa 2y ago
  "We as a society" don't really decide on anything. The power to make laws and the power required to enforce them rest in the hands of a select few wealthy people who stand to lose money from the dissolution of manufactured scarcity and precarity. Policies like universal healthcare are viewed favourably by the American public especially when presented without the dressing of red scare but something like that (which many developed countries have to varying extent) does not even come close to being considered in the House and Senate because it would make Wall Street very uncomfortable.

michelsedgh 2y ago

I don’t think that’s the case actually. Your upbringing and society matters a lot. There are many countries with very low homeless rate and if you go to Europe, they have homeless but they are not even close to the homeless we have in the US. I am in Los Angeles and I have never seen anything like the situation here and I don’t think there is any if you go around the world. Maybe in the worst neighborhoods in third world countries. Even in Iran the homeless were not like they are here and I was raised there. Something is fundamentally wrong here

zer00eyz 2y ago
I live in CA too. Go look at what Houston did. Look at what CA did. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-off-with-californias-homelessness-spending/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-o... WE spent 42k per homeless person. We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense.
- michelsedgh 2y ago
  Then there would be no money left for corrupt politicians here what do u mean? ;)
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense. No, you can't. You can not give the homeless apartments and I do mean that literally. "I pay for your rent, food, water, electricity and give you money for alcohol" isn't a good enough incentive for homeless people to stop being homeless. If it were homeless people wouldn't exist here in Germany, yet they do.
TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Europe certainly has way better social safety nets, so that really support GP’s call to provide basic support to all people in the USA. That’s probably not the only issue here but it’s a big one.

akira2501 2y ago

> is give them food and shelter for free They won't all take it. In particular the shelter. You can force them to suddenly be domestic or to live under someone else's rules. > dont know why people want to see them suffer more than necessary That's the hard part. Many of them positively take actions that make themselves suffer. Drug use in particular. If you've ever had a schizophrenic family member you know precisely this pain.