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Modeling the world in a way that alienates or fails to serve people in specific places or cultures, creating undue technical burden on data consumers, causing p

Modeling the world in a way that alienates or fails to serve people in specific places or cultures, creating undue technical burden on data consumers, causing pains that discourage mappers from contributing, dividing the already precariously small community, wasting volunteer time on later schema migrations

Freak_NL 2y ago
> causing pains that discourage mappers from contributing Like not rendering (bus dedicated) roads despite them being tagged as (bus dedicated) roads using a tag approved by the community three and a half years ago. The openstreetmap.org website currently shows gaps all over the world wherever bus dedicated roads exist. This certainly discourages for mappers. Compare: Carto (default): https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layers=N https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layer... Tracestrack Topo: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layers=PN https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layer...
- aendruk 2y ago
  Don’t wait for me to do it; you can steelman too: It’s plausible that the consequences of an actively wrong implementation would be more costly than this delay. Instead of just throwing costs at each other, you could acknowledge the other party’s and then argue that yours are greater. (I personally would agree with you about this.)
- ricardobeat 2y ago
  What are the odds, this random example points to only a couple km away from my home. I had never seen OSM for the area, the detail around Maxis is astounding. And the busway is quite relevant to understand traffic around the area.
  - lukan 2y ago
    "What are the odds, this random example points to only a couple km away from my home." Probably a rhetorical question, but the odds for you individually were probably low, but the odds that the random example (where random here still means close to major cities) was close to some HN reader were probably quite high ..
- what 2y ago
  I see the same roads in both, one of them has a dashed pattern on top. What is the problem?
  - aendruk 2y ago
    In the first one what you’re seeing is just the absence of grass.
matheusmoreira 2y ago
As an OSM contributor, the biggest pain for me is working hard to add data to the map only for it to not show up at all or look ugly. Bus routes? I've read the wiki pages in order to map them. I don't even ride the bus, I just wanted to add the data in. Why put in all that effort when the map won't even show it though?
- habi 2y ago
  > Why put in all that effort when the map won't even show it though? Just select a different layer, the "Transport Map" renders bus routes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#layers=T https://www.openstreetmap.org/#layers=T
- ygra 2y ago
  This is a problem with all maps. You cannot show everything, so you reduce it to something you want the map to show. While things like waste baskets, hydrants, dog excrement bag dispensers, etc. Can reasonably show up on deep zoom levels because they're just small icons, I think bus routes can clash with plenty of things that many people would also consider important.

Freak_NL 2y ago

> causing pains that discourage mappers from contributing Like not rendering (bus dedicated) roads despite them being tagged as (bus dedicated) roads using a tag approved by the community three and a half years ago. The openstreetmap.org website currently shows gaps all over the world wherever bus dedicated roads exist. This certainly discourages for mappers. Compare: Carto (default): https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layers=N https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layer... Tracestrack Topo: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layers=PN https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.32853/5.04991&layer...

aendruk 2y ago
Don’t wait for me to do it; you can steelman too: It’s plausible that the consequences of an actively wrong implementation would be more costly than this delay. Instead of just throwing costs at each other, you could acknowledge the other party’s and then argue that yours are greater. (I personally would agree with you about this.)
ricardobeat 2y ago
What are the odds, this random example points to only a couple km away from my home. I had never seen OSM for the area, the detail around Maxis is astounding. And the busway is quite relevant to understand traffic around the area.
- lukan 2y ago
  "What are the odds, this random example points to only a couple km away from my home." Probably a rhetorical question, but the odds for you individually were probably low, but the odds that the random example (where random here still means close to major cities) was close to some HN reader were probably quite high ..
what 2y ago
I see the same roads in both, one of them has a dashed pattern on top. What is the problem?
- aendruk 2y ago
  In the first one what you’re seeing is just the absence of grass.

matheusmoreira 2y ago

As an OSM contributor, the biggest pain for me is working hard to add data to the map only for it to not show up at all or look ugly. Bus routes? I've read the wiki pages in order to map them. I don't even ride the bus, I just wanted to add the data in. Why put in all that effort when the map won't even show it though?

habi 2y ago
> Why put in all that effort when the map won't even show it though? Just select a different layer, the "Transport Map" renders bus routes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#layers=T https://www.openstreetmap.org/#layers=T
ygra 2y ago
This is a problem with all maps. You cannot show everything, so you reduce it to something you want the map to show. While things like waste baskets, hydrants, dog excrement bag dispensers, etc. Can reasonably show up on deep zoom levels because they're just small icons, I think bus routes can clash with plenty of things that many people would also consider important.