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What does “Apple approved” mean? I know Apple has heavy handed curation, for example requiring various forms of moderation / censorship of social media apps. Ca

What does “Apple approved” mean? I know Apple has heavy handed curation, for example requiring various forms of moderation / censorship of social media apps. Can these stores offer whatever they want? Also what’s with that fee? Why aren’t phones forced to operate like traditional operating systems? Apple shouldn’t be allowed to charge fees for people to install software on devices they own.

sixothree 3y ago
Knowing Apple I'd personally be concerned about retribution from them. I feel like something else completely unrelated on my device will stop functioning because I'm a user of the app store.
- switch007 3y ago
  But you'll never be able to prove it Like my iPhone 12 getting slower and worse battery with each iOS release even with a new battery...
  - apantel 3y ago
    Yeah you can’t update these phones. Things just degrade if you do. Happily running iOS 15 on my iPhone 12.
    - shepherdjerred 3y ago
      That's strange. I'm on iOS 17 on my iPhone 11 Pro and it's just fine. Maybe the battery issues mentioned are due to normal degradation?
    - teekert 3y ago
      I don’t feel like my iPhone 12 mini is slow with 17.4? I guess it doesn’t make sense t argue about subjective experiences but I just wanted add a some anecdata. Battery feels just fine (over a day, that is with Tailscale turned off [did get better some updates ago.])
    - SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
      Do older versions of iOS still receive security patches?
      - emeril 3y ago
        not really
aranelsurion 3y ago
I'm no expert on the matter, but this is what Apple says: > All apps listed on alternative app marketplaces are submitted to a Notarization process with Apple. Notarization is a baseline review that applies to all apps, regardless of their distribution channel, focused on platform policies for security and privacy and to maintain device integrity. Through a combination of automated checks and human review, Notarization helps ensure apps are free of known malware, viruses, or other security threats, function as promised, and don’t expose users to egregious fraud. Apple does not enforce the App Store's high standards for business practices and content on apps distributed through alternative app marketplaces. So what I understand is that it's a baseline check for security, technical issues etc. Content moderation doesn't seem to be a part of it.
- metalspoon 3y ago
  Fuck Apple, I never need their check. I'm not a grandma.
  - orf 3y ago
    Sure you did, even indirectly: would iOS still be around now if every grandma got their money stolen through iOS malware?
    - fsflover 3y ago
      Did it happen with Android yet?
      - blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
        Or with Windows computers?
      - mvid 3y ago
        You can search for innumerable articles and anecdotes of people moving their family and elders to iOS on mobile and Linux on desktop for exactly these reasons
      - 3y ago
Aloisius 3y ago
> Why aren’t phones forced to operate like traditional operating systems? They are operating like traditional operating systems, namely like game consoles where paying royalties to OS makers for distributing software has been a thing since the Atari/Activision settlement in 1980.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
It's malicious compliance. No judgement afaik says anything about an approval process.

sixothree 3y ago

Knowing Apple I'd personally be concerned about retribution from them. I feel like something else completely unrelated on my device will stop functioning because I'm a user of the app store.

switch007 3y ago
But you'll never be able to prove it Like my iPhone 12 getting slower and worse battery with each iOS release even with a new battery...
- apantel 3y ago
  Yeah you can’t update these phones. Things just degrade if you do. Happily running iOS 15 on my iPhone 12.
  - shepherdjerred 3y ago
    That's strange. I'm on iOS 17 on my iPhone 11 Pro and it's just fine. Maybe the battery issues mentioned are due to normal degradation?
  - teekert 3y ago
    I don’t feel like my iPhone 12 mini is slow with 17.4? I guess it doesn’t make sense t argue about subjective experiences but I just wanted add a some anecdata. Battery feels just fine (over a day, that is with Tailscale turned off [did get better some updates ago.])
  - SpaghettiCthulu 3y ago
    Do older versions of iOS still receive security patches?
    - emeril 3y ago
      not really

aranelsurion 3y ago

I'm no expert on the matter, but this is what Apple says: > All apps listed on alternative app marketplaces are submitted to a Notarization process with Apple. Notarization is a baseline review that applies to all apps, regardless of their distribution channel, focused on platform policies for security and privacy and to maintain device integrity. Through a combination of automated checks and human review, Notarization helps ensure apps are free of known malware, viruses, or other security threats, function as promised, and don’t expose users to egregious fraud. Apple does not enforce the App Store's high standards for business practices and content on apps distributed through alternative app marketplaces. So what I understand is that it's a baseline check for security, technical issues etc. Content moderation doesn't seem to be a part of it.

metalspoon 3y ago
Fuck Apple, I never need their check. I'm not a grandma.
- orf 3y ago
  Sure you did, even indirectly: would iOS still be around now if every grandma got their money stolen through iOS malware?
  - fsflover 3y ago
    Did it happen with Android yet?
    - blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
      Or with Windows computers?
    - mvid 3y ago
      You can search for innumerable articles and anecdotes of people moving their family and elders to iOS on mobile and Linux on desktop for exactly these reasons
    - 3y ago

Aloisius 3y ago

> Why aren’t phones forced to operate like traditional operating systems? They are operating like traditional operating systems, namely like game consoles where paying royalties to OS makers for distributing software has been a thing since the Atari/Activision settlement in 1980.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

It's malicious compliance. No judgement afaik says anything about an approval process.