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> I am surprised there is such resistance here to be honest. You’ll probably not be surprised to find out there’s a lot of anti-US sentiment courtesy of Chine

> I am surprised there is such resistance here to be honest. You’ll probably not be surprised to find out there’s a lot of anti-US sentiment courtesy of Chinese, Russian and Iranian propaganda. Plenty of younger folks fall for it, same stuff in the 70s and 80s on college campuses with supposedly well educated people talking about how the Soviet Union had higher standards of living than the US, and the “tyranny” was all just American propaganda.

woooooo 3y ago
Personally, I only subscribe to American propaganda.
- throwoutway 3y ago
  How do you know? That's the whole point of propaganda.
  - woooooo 3y ago
    Easy, anything I don't like is the fault of Russians, Chinese and Iranians.
swatcoder 3y ago
Huh. I read most of the challenges to this ban as either explicitly championing US-colored ideals of free markets and free speech or simple personal frustration because people don't want to lose the experience of the app. I'd expect some of the messaging gets amplified and shaped by adversarial parties, but the framing is rarely/never aligned with "anti-US" rhetoric on this topic. Your concern sounds like a different thing than what applies to this discussion.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  > the framing is rarely/never aligned with "anti-US" rhetoric on this topic. It’s attempting to push the narrative that TikTok is somehow the exception and is being treated unfairly, and that this is the big bad USA violating constitutional rights when this is just exactly how businesses with adversarial governments are treated in America. We already know Chinese controlled social media bots are amplifying to far right and far left extremists who act as useful idiots to spread this bait. The US government regularly intervenes in the free market, especially when national security is involved. It’s no different than banning Huawei from critical infrastructure, but allowing Nokia to stick around. Look at real estate, automotive industry, hell even construction has similar restrictions. My concern is strictly national security, it’s my own opinion and I definitely could be wrong, but given what I’ve seen that’s public, there’s not really a downside here. Someone will buy TikTok, and they will make a shit load of money. People will call it a conspiracy, but at the end of the day the idea of China running a social media platform just does not seem very logical no matter how you spin it. Protectionist trade policy is nothing new, and in the big picture that’s what this really is.

woooooo 3y ago

Personally, I only subscribe to American propaganda.

throwoutway 3y ago
How do you know? That's the whole point of propaganda.
- woooooo 3y ago
  Easy, anything I don't like is the fault of Russians, Chinese and Iranians.

swatcoder 3y ago

Huh. I read most of the challenges to this ban as either explicitly championing US-colored ideals of free markets and free speech or simple personal frustration because people don't want to lose the experience of the app. I'd expect some of the messaging gets amplified and shaped by adversarial parties, but the framing is rarely/never aligned with "anti-US" rhetoric on this topic. Your concern sounds like a different thing than what applies to this discussion.

overstay8930 3y ago
> the framing is rarely/never aligned with "anti-US" rhetoric on this topic. It’s attempting to push the narrative that TikTok is somehow the exception and is being treated unfairly, and that this is the big bad USA violating constitutional rights when this is just exactly how businesses with adversarial governments are treated in America. We already know Chinese controlled social media bots are amplifying to far right and far left extremists who act as useful idiots to spread this bait. The US government regularly intervenes in the free market, especially when national security is involved. It’s no different than banning Huawei from critical infrastructure, but allowing Nokia to stick around. Look at real estate, automotive industry, hell even construction has similar restrictions. My concern is strictly national security, it’s my own opinion and I definitely could be wrong, but given what I’ve seen that’s public, there’s not really a downside here. Someone will buy TikTok, and they will make a shit load of money. People will call it a conspiracy, but at the end of the day the idea of China running a social media platform just does not seem very logical no matter how you spin it. Protectionist trade policy is nothing new, and in the big picture that’s what this really is.