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Whelp, there goes TikTok (unless the first amendment challenges succeed, which there is precedent for (thanks, Montana)), as China has already clearly indicated

Whelp, there goes TikTok (unless the first amendment challenges succeed, which there is precedent for (thanks, Montana)), as China has already clearly indicated they are unwilling to sell their 20% share. Nothing quite like congress ignoring their 170 million plus constituents (aka a majority of citizens) and 30k+ businesses, eh? Though, I can’t pretend that this is the first time.

lenerdenator 3y ago
It's time we stopped pretending markets are the best way to solve any societal problem. The Chinese sure as hell don't care about letting Meta/Twitter/Google etc. operating in their country; why should we let them have a cyber beach head in ours? Turnabout is fair play and free markets are not necessarily safe markets.
- falcolas 3y ago
  Why should the US lower itself to China’s standards? Or to use a proverb: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
  - stale2002 3y ago
    Empowering a foreign adversary that is going to be at war with either us or our allies in a few years isn't a "higher standard". Instead, its a national security threat that is going to help them kill a lot more people.
    - falcolas 3y ago
      Again, China owns a minority share at 20%. And data for US citizens is stored on US soil, managed by a US company: Oracle. Come back when there’s a verified threat that Facebook doesn’t already pose to US citizens.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        > Come back when Or instead of waiting until a world war happens, we eliminate the threat now before it can be wielded and the damage is already done.
        falcolas 3y ago
        How will you eliminate the threat of Facebook then? China and Russia have been proven to be actively using that platform today.
        stale2002 3y ago
        We have a government and police force to handle anything that goes on, on facebook. China also doesn't own a 20% share of facebook. But even if you think there are issues with facebook, that is no excuse to ignore tiktok. 1 less threat is still good. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-by... Bytedance has even admitted to spying on journalists. A fact which they previously lied about: 'ByteDance and TikTok had initially issued categorical denials of the allegations when they were first reported. The company claimed it “could not monitor US users in the way the article suggested”, and added that TikTok had never been used to “target” any “members of the US government, activists, public figures or journalists”. Those claims are now acknowledged to be false.' They already spied on US journalists, lied about it, and now you are claiming that things are all fine? Yeah no. Thats a threat that needs to be permanently eliminated.

lenerdenator 3y ago

It's time we stopped pretending markets are the best way to solve any societal problem. The Chinese sure as hell don't care about letting Meta/Twitter/Google etc. operating in their country; why should we let them have a cyber beach head in ours? Turnabout is fair play and free markets are not necessarily safe markets.

falcolas 3y ago
Why should the US lower itself to China’s standards? Or to use a proverb: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
- stale2002 3y ago
  Empowering a foreign adversary that is going to be at war with either us or our allies in a few years isn't a "higher standard". Instead, its a national security threat that is going to help them kill a lot more people.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    Again, China owns a minority share at 20%. And data for US citizens is stored on US soil, managed by a US company: Oracle. Come back when there’s a verified threat that Facebook doesn’t already pose to US citizens.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > Come back when Or instead of waiting until a world war happens, we eliminate the threat now before it can be wielded and the damage is already done.
      - falcolas 3y ago
        How will you eliminate the threat of Facebook then? China and Russia have been proven to be actively using that platform today.
        stale2002 3y ago
        We have a government and police force to handle anything that goes on, on facebook. China also doesn't own a 20% share of facebook. But even if you think there are issues with facebook, that is no excuse to ignore tiktok. 1 less threat is still good. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-by... Bytedance has even admitted to spying on journalists. A fact which they previously lied about: 'ByteDance and TikTok had initially issued categorical denials of the allegations when they were first reported. The company claimed it “could not monitor US users in the way the article suggested”, and added that TikTok had never been used to “target” any “members of the US government, activists, public figures or journalists”. Those claims are now acknowledged to be false.' They already spied on US journalists, lied about it, and now you are claiming that things are all fine? Yeah no. Thats a threat that needs to be permanently eliminated.