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I’m not comfortable with this. I understand that TikTok may represent a national security concern but it’s also a platform that younger generations use for pro
by jnovek 3y ago
I’m not comfortable with this.
I understand that TikTok may represent a national security concern but it’s also a platform that younger generations use for protected speech. What’s the message that we’re sending to this group?
- Johnny555 3y agoI think the message is: "The government only wants your personal data harvested by American companies so they can monitor that data"
- NickC25 3y agoI think the message actually is "The government only wants your personal data harvested by companies that aren't run by an enterprise operated by actors from a hostile foreign government which itself is hellbent on taking America's place in the global economic and soft power hierarchy"
- usrnm 3y agoSo competition is suddenly a bad thing when you're losing? Okay
- NickC25 3y agofrom the POV of the incumbent, yes, competition is a bad thing when you are losing. The US government doesn't want a foreign country in control of the communication platform its youth are using. The Chinese government doesn't want that, either.
- IncreasePosts 3y agoIf it was about competition, a lot more things from China would be banned already.
- jkestner 3y agoThat's the problem I have with this, that Congress is banning a company instead of the practice they're supposedly worried about. But how else is the FBI supposed to spy on us? I mean, besides the renewed and expanded FISA Section 702, and also illegally.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Congress is banning a company It gets banned if it refuses to divest. If China is unwilling to let go of TikTok, even at the cost of tens of billions of dollars, that sort of tells you it has non-economic value.
- jncfhnb 3y agoThe message is that the us government does not want your protected speech moderated, curated, and amplified according to the whims of a hostile foreign nation
- boredpeter 3y agoFalse. The message is the US government doesn’t want Americans to freely speak out against American foreign policy such as the current genocide against the Palestinians. They want US citizens to communicate on US platforms where they do have influence and control so they can censor speech and continue the capitalist forever wars.
- doublerabbit 3y ago> They want US citizens to communicate on US platforms where they do have influence and control so they can censor speech and continue the capitalist forever wars. No different to any other country. China does the same, as does Russia, Korea and Japan.
- banku_brougham 3y agoThe message i got is "we dont want Us citizens to see first-hand results of American foreign policy.
- nozzlegear 3y agoWhat results of American foreign policy can you see on TikTok that you can't see on YouTube or Twitter?
- nearbuy 3y agoIs it a security concern compared to everything else we get from China, or are we just holding TikTok specifically to an unattainably high standard? We get so many products from China that could potentially be used for spying that we've never tried to ban due to security concerns. Who can say the ESP32 Wifi module doesn't have a hardware or software backdoor hidden in it? AFAIK, there has never been any evidence or reason to suspect TikTok of sharing private data from Americans with the Chinese government. It seems like simply being from China is the crime the US government wants to ban TikTok for.
- maeil 3y ago> AFAIK, there has never been any evidence or reason to suspect TikTok of sharing private data from Americans with the Chinese government. It seems like simply being from China is the crime the US government wants to ban TikTok for. https://fortune.com/2024/04/15/tiktok-china-data-sharing-bytedance-project-texas/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/15/tiktok-china-data-sharing-byt... If you're going to argue that sending data to Bytedance in Beijing isn't sending it to the Chinese government, you're free to believe that but it would not be supported by the available evidence.
- nearbuy 3y agoDo you have any such evidence? You linked a paywalled article saying that TikTok works with its parent company, which is hardly news. We're looking for evidence that TikTok/ByteDance shared private data from Americans with the Chinese government. US politicians would love to get such evidence.
- fragmede 3y ago> Who can say the ESP32 Wifi module doesn't have a hardware or software backdoor hidden in it? That is why Huawei gear is not allowed in US telcos.
- shortsunblack 3y agoNo. Huawei gear is not allowed in US telcos because American telco kit suppliers lobbied for such a ban. American crusade against Huawei happened the same year Huawei broke the record for most phones sold, surpassing Apple.
- SkyPuncher 3y agoThere are other platforms. Further, I don’t see how this fundamentally changes young people’s access to protected speech. If anything, I’d expect this to bring more oversight to how TikTok algorithmically chooses and presents the feed.
- BlueTemplar 3y agoSpeaking of other platforms, will the US ban Discord or force Tencent to divest from it ?
- Der_Einzige 3y ago[flagged]
- pjfin123 3y agoIt seems especially sketchy that USG is forcing TikTok to store it's data with Oracle, a company with close ties to the CIA. The timing of this move is also suspect. TikTok is the probably the #1 platform currently where users and creators are outspoken in opposition to U.S. foreign policy in Israel/Palestine. And now the government is forcing them to sell to new owners.