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FISA has been in existence since 1978. It did not prevent 9/11, so honestly your comment undersells how worthless the program has been in light of the constitut
by borkt 2y ago
FISA has been in existence since 1978. It did not prevent 9/11, so honestly your comment undersells how worthless the program has been in light of the constitutional freedoms we willingly cede in reauthorizing it. The fact is though it remains law and the officials we elected feel the value is worth it. I hope its being done solely based on the benefits it provides us as a whole and is not being used for self-serving purposes
- tastyfreeze 2y ago> used for self-serving purposes That is inevitable. If there is an easier path to a goal some human will use it. It doesn't matter if the goal is against the people.
- unethical_ban 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978_Amendments_Act_of_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... 2008.
- Retric 2y agoForeign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) https://bja.ojp.gov/program/it/privacy-civil-liberties/authorities/statutes/1286 https://bja.ojp.gov/program/it/privacy-civil-liberties/autho...
- unethical_ban 2y agoAnd the components of the program being discussed are from the 2008 amendment.
- Retric 2y agoPeople dislike parts of the original 1978 bill that contunued. I take issue with this bit: FISA also established the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), a special U.S. Federal court that holds nonpublic sessions to consider issuing search warrants under FISA. Proceedings before the FISC are ex parte, meaning the government is the only party present. When combined by foreign agents including US citizens, it’s troubling.
- soraminazuki 2y agoEven humanitarian groups such as the UNICEF were targets, there's no doubt now what the program is about
- AmVess 2y agoThese laws aren't about protecting America and its citizens, but rather as means to control them.
- mdhb 2y agoPeople just toss comments like this around as though they were facts when in fact it’s completely paranoid made up q-anon level nonsense. These laws work a very specific way and have very specific controls in place to prevent shit like you describe from happening which you could go and read up on if you wanted to but it’s much easier to fear monger amongst one another because it plays to your ego that somebody who is important enough to be under surveillance by an intelligence agency.
- soraminazuki 2y ago"Completely paranoid made up q-anon level nonsense" from the New York Times, The Guardian, Washington Post, Associated Press, and many others? I think not. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/world/middleeast/book-reveals-wider-net-of-us-spying-on-envoys.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/world/middleeast/book-rev... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targeted-aid-agencies-german-government-eu-commissioner https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/20/gchq-targete... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/24/loveint-when-nsa-officers-use-their-spying-power-on-love-interests/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/24... https://apnews.com/article/b25197d5b11740b2b29681bbc521a45f https://apnews.com/article/b25197d5b11740b2b29681bbc521a45f https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/fbi-misused-foreign-surveillance-law-280k-times-to-snoop-on-people-in-the-us/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/fbi-misused-fore...
- xanthor 2y agohttps://apnews.com/article/fisa-foreign-surveillance-fbi-3f7d4cc0ef413cdf20bc0b70548cde84 https://apnews.com/article/fisa-foreign-surveillance-fbi-3f7... One does not have to be “important enough” if they are conducting mass surveillance and storing it in a database indefinitely.
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