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There's digital signage displays (like the ones you find in airports, shops, practices, etc) but those are only sold to private entities, not direct to consumer

There's digital signage displays (like the ones you find in airports, shops, practices, etc) but those are only sold to private entities, not direct to consumers, if you can score one of those on ebay, but you'll get no warranty obviously and energy consumption might be higher and missing fancy picture and processing modes. Or just buy a normal TV and never connect it to the internet, what's so hard about that? Cheaper than paying more and getting less for a digital signage screen.

15155 3y ago
https://www.cdw.com/product/nec-e558-e-series-55-class-54.6-viewable-led-backlit-lcd-display-4k/6464023 https://www.cdw.com/product/nec-e558-e-series-55-class-54.6-... These devices aren't at all exclusive or difficult to purchase.
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  Depends where you live.
  - thaumasiotes 3y ago
    It does? https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Business-QE43T-Commercial-LH43QETELGCXZA/dp/B08DQDV4S3/ https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Business-QE43T-Commercial-LH4... Where would you live that they would be hard to find?
    - Rinzler89 3y ago
      What's the pros of that signage TV versus any consumer TV? It's still a "smart TV" running Tizen OS from Samsung so high chances of similar software shittyness.
      - pauby 3y ago
        There is no privacy to be gained from buying Samsung products. They're just as bad as every other data harvesting company.
      - thaumasiotes 3y ago
        In Samsung's terminology, it is a business signage display. Note that this is considered a separate product category from "business TV". The point of a sign is that it shows what you want it to show. Whether that's an advantage depends on whether that's what you're looking for. But every feature of the display is going to be oriented towards that goal. Notwithstanding the Amazon review that says "Yes it has wifi", you might find it noteworthy that this model does not have wifi connectivity. (As can be verified from its spec sheet, https://image-us.samsung.com/SamsungUS/samsungbusiness/pdf/spec-sheets/QET_SERIES_QE43T_QE50T_QE55T_QE65T_QE70T_QE75T_QE82T.PDF https://image-us.samsung.com/SamsungUS/samsungbusiness/pdf/s... , or from its page on CDW, https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-qe43t-smart-signage-qet-series-43-class-42.5-viewable-led-bac/6070233 https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-qe43t-smart-signage-qet-... ) Your comments elsewhere in this very thread seem to indicate that this product is exactly what you want, a display that won't show ads and, in the general case, isn't connected to the internet. What exactly are you imagining will happen to someone who uses one?
      - namibj 3y ago
        Mine, a 43" 4k AMVA3 from iiyama, shines with a comfortable 18/7 uptime rating. Essentially that means I only have to turn it off when I'm sleeping to stay in the warranty. Also I can officially customize the splash screen it's bootloader throws up before it goes and switches to the last selected input and it's graphics settings. Having gotten a 40" sibling that was sold as "desktop monitor" with otherwise identical panel (besides of course pixel pitch) spoiled me with it's "technically counts as HDR" native contrast from a burn-in resistant LCD, also suffering just barely perceptible loss of contrast with no significant color shift at all viewing angles that aren't already too extreme to comfortably read text due to distortion. Sure, it's slow and thus not suited for competitive counter strike, code editing and SDR-mastered visual media look about as good as an LCD can. They do though seem to not consider factory/nominal color calibration for the panel with the signal processor and a regular operating system on an attached PC something they want to offer on these, which is annoying because with 8 bit and the nominal 5000:1 static contrast mild banding isn't even unexpected. So it'd be preferable to just drop an ICC profile onto the computer that's valid for when the screen is set to native gamma and native white balance (I.e. dumb panel mode) and get to make full use of the panel without the excess expense of individually calibrating devices to do digital proofs ahead of actual production/view the material during actively ongoing color grading work. A decent color managed (but not individually calibrated) screen will suffice happily for most tasks, to the point where further calibration won't be perceptible in a double blind test with the screen isolated from reference light sources for most untrained eyes.
Nextgrid 3y ago
> There's billboard displays (like the ones you find in airports, shops, practices, etc) but those are only sold to private entities Most of these are resold by niche small businesses but I don't see any incentive for them to reject a private individual buying it? In the UK I got mine from https://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/displays https://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/displays (no affiliation beyond being a satisfied customer) and after wiring them the money I got it next day. I've had good experience with Sony professional displays (model number FW-65BZ35F) - they are reasonably priced and come with stock Android TV with very little bloatware. My understanding is that these Sony units are not billboard displays or optimized for high-brightness/24H runtime, they're what looks like standard consumer hardware just running a different firmware - the upside is that the price is actually competitive with consumer-grade TVs.
slau 3y ago
You also don’t need to be as extreme as “never connect”. Just plug it into Ethernet, update the firmware, and disconnect it.
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  A lot of TVs only have wifi, no ethernet. Plus even if you plug it only once it's enough to phone home and download and cache some ads to show you later.
  - slau 3y ago
    I haven’t experienced that, and therefore hadn’t considered it. USB stick for firmware updates it is from now on, then.
- solardev 3y ago
  I've found that even once can be too much, since new firmware/software often include new ads and require telemetry. If you're never gonna use the built in OS anyway, there's no reason to risk it. Most TV manufacturers are engaged in a brutal race to the bottom and they have to enshittify the software to make money.
  - slau 3y ago
    That’s fair. I did plug in my TV after 7 years or so. I was hoping the new firmware would fix some issues (eARC compatibility, mainly). It didn’t. Fixed some other bugs, introduced some new ones. Not my best bet, not my worst. Still no ads, luckily, though.
kspacewalk2 3y ago
Those aren't difficult at all to buy in North America, especially online. Just get it off Amazon.
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  Like John Oliver said: "Did you know there are other countries that are not America?"
philistine 3y ago
Digital signage displays are terrible at color reproduction, usually have no amenities for CEC or ARC, and did I say they’re terrible at color reproduction. Like the one thing a TV is for.
- saltminer 3y ago
  That's a bit surprising, I'd expect them to be factory-calibrated since marketing departments love their Pantones.
rsync 3y ago
"... but those are only sold to private entities, not direct to consumers ..." End users and consumers can buy digital signage and commercial displays without any trouble. Here is one on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/NEC-Commercial-Public-Display-Speakers/dp/B09D43SF51/ https://www.amazon.com/NEC-Commercial-Public-Display-Speaker...

15155 3y ago

https://www.cdw.com/product/nec-e558-e-series-55-class-54.6-viewable-led-backlit-lcd-display-4k/6464023 https://www.cdw.com/product/nec-e558-e-series-55-class-54.6-... These devices aren't at all exclusive or difficult to purchase.

Rinzler89 3y ago
Depends where you live.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  It does? https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Business-QE43T-Commercial-LH43QETELGCXZA/dp/B08DQDV4S3/ https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Business-QE43T-Commercial-LH4... Where would you live that they would be hard to find?
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    What's the pros of that signage TV versus any consumer TV? It's still a "smart TV" running Tizen OS from Samsung so high chances of similar software shittyness.
    - pauby 3y ago
      There is no privacy to be gained from buying Samsung products. They're just as bad as every other data harvesting company.
    - thaumasiotes 3y ago
      In Samsung's terminology, it is a business signage display. Note that this is considered a separate product category from "business TV". The point of a sign is that it shows what you want it to show. Whether that's an advantage depends on whether that's what you're looking for. But every feature of the display is going to be oriented towards that goal. Notwithstanding the Amazon review that says "Yes it has wifi", you might find it noteworthy that this model does not have wifi connectivity. (As can be verified from its spec sheet, https://image-us.samsung.com/SamsungUS/samsungbusiness/pdf/spec-sheets/QET_SERIES_QE43T_QE50T_QE55T_QE65T_QE70T_QE75T_QE82T.PDF https://image-us.samsung.com/SamsungUS/samsungbusiness/pdf/s... , or from its page on CDW, https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-qe43t-smart-signage-qet-series-43-class-42.5-viewable-led-bac/6070233 https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-qe43t-smart-signage-qet-... ) Your comments elsewhere in this very thread seem to indicate that this product is exactly what you want, a display that won't show ads and, in the general case, isn't connected to the internet. What exactly are you imagining will happen to someone who uses one?
    - namibj 3y ago
      Mine, a 43" 4k AMVA3 from iiyama, shines with a comfortable 18/7 uptime rating. Essentially that means I only have to turn it off when I'm sleeping to stay in the warranty. Also I can officially customize the splash screen it's bootloader throws up before it goes and switches to the last selected input and it's graphics settings. Having gotten a 40" sibling that was sold as "desktop monitor" with otherwise identical panel (besides of course pixel pitch) spoiled me with it's "technically counts as HDR" native contrast from a burn-in resistant LCD, also suffering just barely perceptible loss of contrast with no significant color shift at all viewing angles that aren't already too extreme to comfortably read text due to distortion. Sure, it's slow and thus not suited for competitive counter strike, code editing and SDR-mastered visual media look about as good as an LCD can. They do though seem to not consider factory/nominal color calibration for the panel with the signal processor and a regular operating system on an attached PC something they want to offer on these, which is annoying because with 8 bit and the nominal 5000:1 static contrast mild banding isn't even unexpected. So it'd be preferable to just drop an ICC profile onto the computer that's valid for when the screen is set to native gamma and native white balance (I.e. dumb panel mode) and get to make full use of the panel without the excess expense of individually calibrating devices to do digital proofs ahead of actual production/view the material during actively ongoing color grading work. A decent color managed (but not individually calibrated) screen will suffice happily for most tasks, to the point where further calibration won't be perceptible in a double blind test with the screen isolated from reference light sources for most untrained eyes.

Nextgrid 3y ago

> There's billboard displays (like the ones you find in airports, shops, practices, etc) but those are only sold to private entities Most of these are resold by niche small businesses but I don't see any incentive for them to reject a private individual buying it? In the UK I got mine from https://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/displays https://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/displays (no affiliation beyond being a satisfied customer) and after wiring them the money I got it next day. I've had good experience with Sony professional displays (model number FW-65BZ35F) - they are reasonably priced and come with stock Android TV with very little bloatware. My understanding is that these Sony units are not billboard displays or optimized for high-brightness/24H runtime, they're what looks like standard consumer hardware just running a different firmware - the upside is that the price is actually competitive with consumer-grade TVs.

slau 3y ago

You also don’t need to be as extreme as “never connect”. Just plug it into Ethernet, update the firmware, and disconnect it.

Rinzler89 3y ago
A lot of TVs only have wifi, no ethernet. Plus even if you plug it only once it's enough to phone home and download and cache some ads to show you later.
- slau 3y ago
  I haven’t experienced that, and therefore hadn’t considered it. USB stick for firmware updates it is from now on, then.
solardev 3y ago
I've found that even once can be too much, since new firmware/software often include new ads and require telemetry. If you're never gonna use the built in OS anyway, there's no reason to risk it. Most TV manufacturers are engaged in a brutal race to the bottom and they have to enshittify the software to make money.
- slau 3y ago
  That’s fair. I did plug in my TV after 7 years or so. I was hoping the new firmware would fix some issues (eARC compatibility, mainly). It didn’t. Fixed some other bugs, introduced some new ones. Not my best bet, not my worst. Still no ads, luckily, though.

kspacewalk2 3y ago

Those aren't difficult at all to buy in North America, especially online. Just get it off Amazon.

Rinzler89 3y ago
Like John Oliver said: "Did you know there are other countries that are not America?"

philistine 3y ago

Digital signage displays are terrible at color reproduction, usually have no amenities for CEC or ARC, and did I say they’re terrible at color reproduction. Like the one thing a TV is for.

saltminer 3y ago
That's a bit surprising, I'd expect them to be factory-calibrated since marketing departments love their Pantones.

rsync 3y ago

"... but those are only sold to private entities, not direct to consumers ..." End users and consumers can buy digital signage and commercial displays without any trouble. Here is one on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/NEC-Commercial-Public-Display-Speakers/dp/B09D43SF51/ https://www.amazon.com/NEC-Commercial-Public-Display-Speaker...