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Can you give concrete examples of what you're talking about? I'm struggling to understand your point.

bad_username 2y ago
Larry Sanger, who co-founded Wikipedia, has been outspoken about the issue. Here is one link, but you are welcome to research further. https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site...
- logicprog 2y ago
  I think this article is pretty telling, but not in the way you think. He complains that you are no longer allowed to cite Fox news, which has literally declared itself and Entertainment Network masquerading as a news network, that is known for sharing flipped or mislabeled or otherwise deeply misleading graphs and just completely lying on television. I just watched a clip from Fox News yesterday where they were just asking questions about whether Taylor Swift is an n a t o plant LOL. Likewise those Nobel Prize winners speaking out about covid that he mentions, if I'm thinking of the right ones, are people trying to claim it's a hoax and touting horse dewormer and stuff because they have Nobel prizes and doctorates in completely unrelated fields and don't know what they are talking about but have Nobel syndrome.
  - dbsights 2y ago
    I think Fox News is just more honest about their bias than most; its certainly not true that CBC, CNN, etc. are unbiased lol. There is a distinct bias in wikipedia that is unavoidable if you happen to disagree with the NYT on a controversial social issue.
    - logicprog 2y ago
      I don't think CBC, CNN, the NYT, etc are unbiased at all — I don't think any news source even can be unbiased, and I think the notion of neutrality that many news sources attempt to apply, most especially the NYT, actually acts as its own sort of bias; but I think you are engaging in a bit of a fallacy here: the fact that no source is precisely unbiased does not mean that all sources are equal, nor that all sources' biases manifest in the same way. (Nor would the absence of bias automatically mean that every point of view would be treated with equal respect and giving equal time in which to air its ideas, because that in itself, if there is an inequality in the quality of the argumentation or facts of the relevant sides, would in fact be a bias in favor of the worst, least correct side.) The bias of centrist liberal news sources tends to manifest more in the language they use to describe issues (excessive passive voice, waffling on things) or in what they choose to cover (focusing excessively on detransitioners when they make up a tiny minority compared to the vast majority of trans people who are happy with transitioning), not in a gross manipulation of and distortion of actual facts as is the case with Fox News. Speaking of which, I don't know what you could possibly mean about Fox News being more honest about their bias then cnn. They regularly claim that they are the only clear-headed, unbiased news source, that they are the only ones willing to tell you the real unvarnished truth compared to everyone else, but they are the only sane ones in this clown world, etc, and they present things in an exceedingly misleading way to the point of lying far more often than any news source which I don't think you could count as being honest about one's bias in any way unless you intend being honest to just mean being brazen.
theknocker 2y ago
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Larry Sanger, who co-founded Wikipedia, has been outspoken about the issue. Here is one link, but you are welcome to research further. https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/ https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site...

logicprog 2y ago
I think this article is pretty telling, but not in the way you think. He complains that you are no longer allowed to cite Fox news, which has literally declared itself and Entertainment Network masquerading as a news network, that is known for sharing flipped or mislabeled or otherwise deeply misleading graphs and just completely lying on television. I just watched a clip from Fox News yesterday where they were just asking questions about whether Taylor Swift is an n a t o plant LOL. Likewise those Nobel Prize winners speaking out about covid that he mentions, if I'm thinking of the right ones, are people trying to claim it's a hoax and touting horse dewormer and stuff because they have Nobel prizes and doctorates in completely unrelated fields and don't know what they are talking about but have Nobel syndrome.
- dbsights 2y ago
  I think Fox News is just more honest about their bias than most; its certainly not true that CBC, CNN, etc. are unbiased lol. There is a distinct bias in wikipedia that is unavoidable if you happen to disagree with the NYT on a controversial social issue.
  - logicprog 2y ago
    I don't think CBC, CNN, the NYT, etc are unbiased at all — I don't think any news source even can be unbiased, and I think the notion of neutrality that many news sources attempt to apply, most especially the NYT, actually acts as its own sort of bias; but I think you are engaging in a bit of a fallacy here: the fact that no source is precisely unbiased does not mean that all sources are equal, nor that all sources' biases manifest in the same way. (Nor would the absence of bias automatically mean that every point of view would be treated with equal respect and giving equal time in which to air its ideas, because that in itself, if there is an inequality in the quality of the argumentation or facts of the relevant sides, would in fact be a bias in favor of the worst, least correct side.) The bias of centrist liberal news sources tends to manifest more in the language they use to describe issues (excessive passive voice, waffling on things) or in what they choose to cover (focusing excessively on detransitioners when they make up a tiny minority compared to the vast majority of trans people who are happy with transitioning), not in a gross manipulation of and distortion of actual facts as is the case with Fox News. Speaking of which, I don't know what you could possibly mean about Fox News being more honest about their bias then cnn. They regularly claim that they are the only clear-headed, unbiased news source, that they are the only ones willing to tell you the real unvarnished truth compared to everyone else, but they are the only sane ones in this clown world, etc, and they present things in an exceedingly misleading way to the point of lying far more often than any news source which I don't think you could count as being honest about one's bias in any way unless you intend being honest to just mean being brazen.

theknocker 2y ago

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