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> Take away the tourists and they have no economy and no jobs. Nobody is arguing to take away tourism. They are arguing against it's unsustainable growth. The

> Take away the tourists and they have no economy and no jobs. Nobody is arguing to take away tourism. They are arguing against it's unsustainable growth. The industry is perfectly ok in it's current state, brings in 16bn dollars a year.

pydry 3y ago
“The problem isn’t the tourists,” he said. “It’s a model that was built around – and with the connivance of – a business class that doesn’t want to listen to what needs to be done, and with a political class that serves that business class instead of serving all the citizens.” Yup. The problem is the local elites and their tendency towards profit maximization at the expense of everything else. It's a very familiar story.
- robocat 3y ago
  Place the blame where it belongs: the government and regulating the industry. Businesses and elites are playing the game according to the rules that they are given. Maybe the rules need improving, but that is a governance problem. There are reasons why the governance is difficult (e.g. capture) but that doesn’t mean blame should be shifted.
  - javcasas 3y ago
    Businesses and elites are playing the game according to the rules that they are lobbying for. Fixed that for you.
    - pydry 3y ago
      Yeah, they do like to pretend that the game either exists in either a vacuum or a direct democracy that is untainted by those same elites.
  - newswasboring 3y ago
    > Place the blame where it belongs: the government and regulating the industry. Why? Why are we blaming the guard who is trying to stop the hoard from destroying the city rather than the hoard which is destroying the city? Companies need to behave ethically and if they dont know what is ethical I'm sure they can afford to have some philosophers on the board. And if they can't afford that, that still doesn't absolve them from their unethical behavior. I refuse to participate in this blame shifting mentality, as if companies have no other choice but to be unethical.
    - lotsoweiners 3y ago
      You are quite naive. Government in many countries is a framework to help enforce ethical behavior. Without enforcement I wouldn’t pay my taxes just because “I want to pay my fair share”. I pay them because the IRS exists. Having companies and industries regulate themselves just leads to a lot of “trust me bro I’m good” scenarios.
      - newswasboring 3y ago
        I'm not talking about what is, I am talking about everyone's resignation to it. At the very least I would expect people to blame the businesses and companies equally. But what I observe is not just tacit acceptance of company behavior but in some places stating it as if that is how it should be.

pydry 3y ago

“The problem isn’t the tourists,” he said. “It’s a model that was built around – and with the connivance of – a business class that doesn’t want to listen to what needs to be done, and with a political class that serves that business class instead of serving all the citizens.” Yup. The problem is the local elites and their tendency towards profit maximization at the expense of everything else. It's a very familiar story.

robocat 3y ago
Place the blame where it belongs: the government and regulating the industry. Businesses and elites are playing the game according to the rules that they are given. Maybe the rules need improving, but that is a governance problem. There are reasons why the governance is difficult (e.g. capture) but that doesn’t mean blame should be shifted.
- javcasas 3y ago
  Businesses and elites are playing the game according to the rules that they are lobbying for. Fixed that for you.
  - pydry 3y ago
    Yeah, they do like to pretend that the game either exists in either a vacuum or a direct democracy that is untainted by those same elites.
- newswasboring 3y ago
  > Place the blame where it belongs: the government and regulating the industry. Why? Why are we blaming the guard who is trying to stop the hoard from destroying the city rather than the hoard which is destroying the city? Companies need to behave ethically and if they dont know what is ethical I'm sure they can afford to have some philosophers on the board. And if they can't afford that, that still doesn't absolve them from their unethical behavior. I refuse to participate in this blame shifting mentality, as if companies have no other choice but to be unethical.
  - lotsoweiners 3y ago
    You are quite naive. Government in many countries is a framework to help enforce ethical behavior. Without enforcement I wouldn’t pay my taxes just because “I want to pay my fair share”. I pay them because the IRS exists. Having companies and industries regulate themselves just leads to a lot of “trust me bro I’m good” scenarios.
    - newswasboring 3y ago
      I'm not talking about what is, I am talking about everyone's resignation to it. At the very least I would expect people to blame the businesses and companies equally. But what I observe is not just tacit acceptance of company behavior but in some places stating it as if that is how it should be.