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I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.

by intexpress 2y ago

zizii 2y ago
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- intexpress 2y ago
  For the sake of argument, let's assume that Hamas uses children as human shields Does that make it okay for Israel to kill 13,000 children... ? Sure, I can understand Israel accidentally killing 1 or 2 children. Maybe even accidentally killing 10 children. But 13,000 ? It is hard to comprehend accidentally killing 13,000 children.
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    - intexpress 2y ago
      Not according to the United Nations and the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 "The United Nations children's agency, Unicef, says 13,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israel since the war began"
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        intexpress 2y ago
        If they believe the numbers then I'm inclined to trust the United Nations and the BBC, but just in case, here's some fact checking from The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c... -- Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated. “We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said. “When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations. “Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world. “We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
        zizii 2y ago
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        intexpress 2y ago
        That article says the casualty numbers coming out of Gaza are generally legitimate, and it says ~3,000 children were killed as of October 2023. For a March 2024 casualty update, ~13,000 children killed seems, sadly, plausible.
        exe34 2y ago
        Yes, you should condemn Hamas for putting them in peril! They just need to keep their soldiers and weapons away from the children instead of using them as meat shields and banking on their supporters like you to help them with the information war.
exe34 2y ago
You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.

I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.

zizii 2y ago

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intexpress 2y ago
For the sake of argument, let's assume that Hamas uses children as human shields Does that make it okay for Israel to kill 13,000 children... ? Sure, I can understand Israel accidentally killing 1 or 2 children. Maybe even accidentally killing 10 children. But 13,000 ? It is hard to comprehend accidentally killing 13,000 children.
- zizii 2y ago
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  - intexpress 2y ago
    Not according to the United Nations and the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 "The United Nations children's agency, Unicef, says 13,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israel since the war began"
    - zizii 2y ago
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      - intexpress 2y ago
        If they believe the numbers then I'm inclined to trust the United Nations and the BBC, but just in case, here's some fact checking from The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c... -- Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated. “We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said. “When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations. “Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world. “We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
        zizii 2y ago
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        intexpress 2y ago
        That article says the casualty numbers coming out of Gaza are generally legitimate, and it says ~3,000 children were killed as of October 2023. For a March 2024 casualty update, ~13,000 children killed seems, sadly, plausible.
        exe34 2y ago
        Yes, you should condemn Hamas for putting them in peril! They just need to keep their soldiers and weapons away from the children instead of using them as meat shields and banking on their supporters like you to help them with the information war.

exe34 2y ago

You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.