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by blackeyeblitzar 3y ago

defrost 3y ago
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- blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
  I think you should state your ideas more clearly. Are you saying there is an equivalence between Germany in WW2 and Israel? If not, what’s the point of your comment?
  - defrost 3y ago
    It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly. Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem? Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem? By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business". Do you truly believe that making sales and profit is all that matters?
    - exe34 3y ago
      Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
      - intexpress 3y ago
        I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.
        zizii 3y ago
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        intexpress 3y ago
        For the sake of argument, let's assume that Hamas uses children as human shields Does that make it okay for Israel to kill 13,000 children... ? Sure, I can understand Israel accidentally killing 1 or 2 children. Maybe even accidentally killing 10 children. But 13,000 ? It is hard to comprehend accidentally killing 13,000 children.
        zizii 3y ago
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        intexpress 3y ago
        Not according to the United Nations and the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 "The United Nations children's agency, Unicef, says 13,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israel since the war began"
        zizii 3y ago
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        intexpress 3y ago
        If they believe the numbers then I'm inclined to trust the United Nations and the BBC, but just in case, here's some fact checking from The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c... -- Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated. “We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said. “When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations. “Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world. “We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
        exe34 3y ago
        You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.
      - defrost 3y ago
        The assertion was that "running a business with paying customers" is A-Ok. The counter example was of businesses that aided in war crimes. The question posed was whether "business trumps all as long as it pays" is an absolute or whether there are qualifications depending on the type and application of paying business.
KronisLV 3y ago
I looked it up briefly. IG Farben: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben > A decade later, it was a Nazi Party donor and, after the Nazi takeover of Germany in 1933, a major government contractor, providing significant material for the German war effort. Throughout that decade it purged itself of its Jewish employees; the remainder left in 1938.[9] Described as "the most notorious German industrial concern during the Third Reich",[10] in the 1940s the company relied on slave labour from concentration camps, including 30,000 from Auschwitz,[11] and was involved in medical experiments on inmates at both Auschwitz and Mauthausen.[12][13] One of its subsidiaries supplied the poison gas Zyklon B, which killed over one million people in gas chambers during the Holocaust. IBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#History > The Nazis made extensive use of Hollerith punch card and alphabetical accounting equipment and IBM's majority-owned German subsidiary, Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag), supplied this equipment from the early 1930s. This equipment was critical to Nazi efforts to categorize citizens of both Germany and other nations that fell under Nazi control through ongoing censuses. This census data was used to facilitate the round-up of Jews and other targeted groups, and to catalog their movements through the machinery of the Holocaust, including internment in the concentration camps. Because of that, I guess the critique of saying it's "just business" makes sense. I'm not a history major, nor am well versed in what's going on in the Middle East, I'm just thankful to be from a more boring part of the world where I'm not exposed to a variety of horrors nowadays. Or at least that I live in a time where I don't have the risk of being taken to the Corner House by the KGB, which was an issue in my country under Soviet occupation.
fransje26 3y ago
It's a lesson from history. IBM computers were helping the nazis keeping track of, among other people, the jews, to better exterminate them. Google is providing AI systems to Israel. AI systems are used to target and exterminate Gaza residents.

Not sure I understand?

defrost 3y ago

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blackeyeblitzar 3y ago
I think you should state your ideas more clearly. Are you saying there is an equivalence between Germany in WW2 and Israel? If not, what’s the point of your comment?
- defrost 3y ago
  It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly. Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem? Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem? By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business". Do you truly believe that making sales and profit is all that matters?
  - exe34 3y ago
    Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
    - intexpress 3y ago
      I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.
      - zizii 3y ago
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        intexpress 3y ago
        For the sake of argument, let's assume that Hamas uses children as human shields Does that make it okay for Israel to kill 13,000 children... ? Sure, I can understand Israel accidentally killing 1 or 2 children. Maybe even accidentally killing 10 children. But 13,000 ? It is hard to comprehend accidentally killing 13,000 children.
        zizii 3y ago
        [flagged]
        intexpress 3y ago
        Not according to the United Nations and the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406 "The United Nations children's agency, Unicef, says 13,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israel since the war began"
        zizii 3y ago
        [flagged]
        intexpress 3y ago
        If they believe the numbers then I'm inclined to trust the United Nations and the BBC, but just in case, here's some fact checking from The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c... -- Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated. “We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said. “When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations. “Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world. “We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
      - exe34 3y ago
        You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.
    - defrost 3y ago
      The assertion was that "running a business with paying customers" is A-Ok. The counter example was of businesses that aided in war crimes. The question posed was whether "business trumps all as long as it pays" is an absolute or whether there are qualifications depending on the type and application of paying business.

KronisLV 3y ago

I looked it up briefly. IG Farben: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben > A decade later, it was a Nazi Party donor and, after the Nazi takeover of Germany in 1933, a major government contractor, providing significant material for the German war effort. Throughout that decade it purged itself of its Jewish employees; the remainder left in 1938.[9] Described as "the most notorious German industrial concern during the Third Reich",[10] in the 1940s the company relied on slave labour from concentration camps, including 30,000 from Auschwitz,[11] and was involved in medical experiments on inmates at both Auschwitz and Mauthausen.[12][13] One of its subsidiaries supplied the poison gas Zyklon B, which killed over one million people in gas chambers during the Holocaust. IBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#History > The Nazis made extensive use of Hollerith punch card and alphabetical accounting equipment and IBM's majority-owned German subsidiary, Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag), supplied this equipment from the early 1930s. This equipment was critical to Nazi efforts to categorize citizens of both Germany and other nations that fell under Nazi control through ongoing censuses. This census data was used to facilitate the round-up of Jews and other targeted groups, and to catalog their movements through the machinery of the Holocaust, including internment in the concentration camps. Because of that, I guess the critique of saying it's "just business" makes sense. I'm not a history major, nor am well versed in what's going on in the Middle East, I'm just thankful to be from a more boring part of the world where I'm not exposed to a variety of horrors nowadays. Or at least that I live in a time where I don't have the risk of being taken to the Corner House by the KGB, which was an issue in my country under Soviet occupation.

fransje26 3y ago

It's a lesson from history. IBM computers were helping the nazis keeping track of, among other people, the jews, to better exterminate them. Google is providing AI systems to Israel. AI systems are used to target and exterminate Gaza residents.