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Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore. While I

by pm90 3y ago

Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore. While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.

wodenokoto 3y ago
I shifted to Fastmail because people here tend to recommend it and I wanted less google in my life. Two things I didn’t expect was a better web UI and better spam filtering. On top of that I can write to human support and they are both responsive and seem knowledgeable.
- silisili 2y ago
  Found the same with Zoho, and it's free. Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away. The app, website, and spam filtering absolutely crush what Gmail is offering.
  - KronisLV 2y ago
    > Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away. For what it's worth, I self host a few e-mail servers and modern Roundcube is actually a pleasant experience, even if I like connecting Thunderbird directly. Here's the mail server I like: https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver I still very much rely on some cloud vendor e-mails for uptime and deliverability, though. Otherwise, with random VPSes you risk the IPs having bad reputation or having a plethora of issues (such as some providers not allowing e-mail ports).
- nexus7556 2y ago
  I agree with you on the UI, but left Fastmail and went back to Google workspace because of Fastmails poor spam filtering. 1-2 pieces of spam were hitting my inbox daily. On Workspace it's 1-2 a month.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
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- defrost 2y ago
  Exactly. I'm certain there's overwhelming retroactive support for IBM and IG Farben within Israel on the grounds that it was just business.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    Not sure I understand?
    - defrost 2y ago
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      - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        I think you should state your ideas more clearly. Are you saying there is an equivalence between Germany in WW2 and Israel? If not, what’s the point of your comment?
        defrost 2y ago
        It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly. Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem? Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem? By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business". Do you truly believe that making sales and profit is all that matters?
        exe34 2y ago
        Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
shampster 2y ago
I'm just nit picking, but all your email on one end at least is probably going to end up to a google system anyway lol.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  Yeah, but by leaving gmail, Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you. Also, in most cases, the other end an email isn't a gmail user but a corporate bot. So Google may actually not have all your emails if you move away from it.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    > So Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you. I suspect they share data with a belligerent with its murder victim chooser algorithm, so you might drop "digital".
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Rapzid 2y ago
I just realized I have no clue who the CEO of Google is.. They are literally a faceless corporation to me. At least Microsoft and Apple have some identity with Tim and Satya.

by pm90 3y ago

wodenokoto 3y ago

I shifted to Fastmail because people here tend to recommend it and I wanted less google in my life. Two things I didn’t expect was a better web UI and better spam filtering. On top of that I can write to human support and they are both responsive and seem knowledgeable.

silisili 2y ago
Found the same with Zoho, and it's free. Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away. The app, website, and spam filtering absolutely crush what Gmail is offering.
- KronisLV 2y ago
  > Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away. For what it's worth, I self host a few e-mail servers and modern Roundcube is actually a pleasant experience, even if I like connecting Thunderbird directly. Here's the mail server I like: https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver I still very much rely on some cloud vendor e-mails for uptime and deliverability, though. Otherwise, with random VPSes you risk the IPs having bad reputation or having a plethora of issues (such as some providers not allowing e-mail ports).
nexus7556 2y ago
I agree with you on the UI, but left Fastmail and went back to Google workspace because of Fastmails poor spam filtering. 1-2 pieces of spam were hitting my inbox daily. On Workspace it's 1-2 a month.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

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defrost 2y ago
Exactly. I'm certain there's overwhelming retroactive support for IBM and IG Farben within Israel on the grounds that it was just business.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  Not sure I understand?
  - defrost 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      I think you should state your ideas more clearly. Are you saying there is an equivalence between Germany in WW2 and Israel? If not, what’s the point of your comment?
      - defrost 2y ago
        It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly. Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem? Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem? By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business". Do you truly believe that making sales and profit is all that matters?
        exe34 2y ago
        Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

shampster 2y ago

I'm just nit picking, but all your email on one end at least is probably going to end up to a google system anyway lol.

soraminazuki 2y ago
Yeah, but by leaving gmail, Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you. Also, in most cases, the other end an email isn't a gmail user but a corporate bot. So Google may actually not have all your emails if you move away from it.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  > So Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you. I suspect they share data with a belligerent with its murder victim chooser algorithm, so you might drop "digital".

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Rapzid 2y ago

I just realized I have no clue who the CEO of Google is.. They are literally a faceless corporation to me. At least Microsoft and Apple have some identity with Tim and Satya.