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From some intelligent specifies like squids we don’t know: maybe they are disturbed by it and fear and hate humanity and plan their lives to be far away from th

From some intelligent specifies like squids we don’t know: maybe they are disturbed by it and fear and hate humanity and plan their lives to be far away from them. They do plan and they remember things over generations. Not believing they can reason or proving they cannot reason are different things.

bamboozled 3y ago
I was fishing once, and I saw squid maul the face off a small yellow tail fish, I think the thing was still alive, it was a hideous way to go either way. It was one of the first times I realized how cruel the world can be. I used my sharp knife and made sure the little thing out of it's misery. But yeah, imagine that, being hugged by a squid and having your face chewed off by it's beak ? When I take the same fish, I use a fish spike, it's instant. Anyway, if Squid are conscious and have such high levels of thought as you describe, then they understand the game and are likely undisturbed by it. If squid went vegan, then I'd feel worse. This is why I think hunting is a much more fair way of obtaining protein. We're playing a much fairer game, factory farming and raping the ocean with super trawlers isn't.
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  But if we have to hunt our food then all those ‘ma meat must have ma meat’ dudes living in shitty small overcrowded city apartments wouldn’t be able to get their meat and they would get very angry. Probably to the point of them starting to eat other humans as those are perfectly hunt-able in big cities.
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  Squids don’t have the option and we, admittedly, do. Nature is intrinsically and deeply cruel, but we could choose not to contribute. I think that if we do contribute, we should admit we do it for the pleasure of eating nice tasty meat and just call it worth it. I do agree with the whole hunting is better thing, but I don’t think there’s any objective reason, just vibes. I also think that, if we can grow like lab meat in the future, we should switch to that. It’s not gonna be viable for a long time tho.
  - bamboozled 3y ago
    Some people do: 1. If you have the time to cook the required amount of vegetarian food (not easy from experience). 2. If you can digest legume based protein without issue. 3. If you want to participate in social or culture events where eating meat is part of having a social life. Are you a full time vegan / vegetarian? I did it for 2 years, I actually would call it a "luxury". I moved to a country where it's not yet "hip to be vegetarian" and it's virtually impossible to survive in that place. There is no "Whole Foods" in many parts of the world.

bamboozled 3y ago

I was fishing once, and I saw squid maul the face off a small yellow tail fish, I think the thing was still alive, it was a hideous way to go either way. It was one of the first times I realized how cruel the world can be. I used my sharp knife and made sure the little thing out of it's misery. But yeah, imagine that, being hugged by a squid and having your face chewed off by it's beak ? When I take the same fish, I use a fish spike, it's instant. Anyway, if Squid are conscious and have such high levels of thought as you describe, then they understand the game and are likely undisturbed by it. If squid went vegan, then I'd feel worse. This is why I think hunting is a much more fair way of obtaining protein. We're playing a much fairer game, factory farming and raping the ocean with super trawlers isn't.

anonzzzies 3y ago
But if we have to hunt our food then all those ‘ma meat must have ma meat’ dudes living in shitty small overcrowded city apartments wouldn’t be able to get their meat and they would get very angry. Probably to the point of them starting to eat other humans as those are perfectly hunt-able in big cities.
BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
Squids don’t have the option and we, admittedly, do. Nature is intrinsically and deeply cruel, but we could choose not to contribute. I think that if we do contribute, we should admit we do it for the pleasure of eating nice tasty meat and just call it worth it. I do agree with the whole hunting is better thing, but I don’t think there’s any objective reason, just vibes. I also think that, if we can grow like lab meat in the future, we should switch to that. It’s not gonna be viable for a long time tho.
- bamboozled 3y ago
  Some people do: 1. If you have the time to cook the required amount of vegetarian food (not easy from experience). 2. If you can digest legume based protein without issue. 3. If you want to participate in social or culture events where eating meat is part of having a social life. Are you a full time vegan / vegetarian? I did it for 2 years, I actually would call it a "luxury". I moved to a country where it's not yet "hip to be vegetarian" and it's virtually impossible to survive in that place. There is no "Whole Foods" in many parts of the world.