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> Consciousness probably isn't what we think it is This is nonsense. Consciousness is exactly what it is. The only real that ever existed is the fact there's t

> Consciousness probably isn't what we think it is This is nonsense. Consciousness is exactly what it is. The only real that ever existed is the fact there's there there. Everything else can be an illusion, as you said. There's no reason why red appears they way it is. But the fact that i can seem to experience red cannot be denied. The seeming cannot be a mistake.

steve_adams_86 3y ago
What if it isn’t exactly what it appears to be to us? If the answer was that simple, thousands of years of deep thinking would have been for nothing. I believe it’s actually a difficult, perhaps even impossible question to answer. The experience of consciousness, or that it’s like something to be you, doesn’t necessarily mean anything about how or why that’s possible or occurring in the first place.
- anon-3988 3y ago
  Perhaps our defintion of consciousness doesn't match. What I think of consciousness is something that can experience. It is not even experience, feelings, emotions, these are secondary things that arise in "consciousness". What you cannot deny is the fact there's something at all. You cannot doubt that there's something. If you doubt that, there's a contradiction. Not what is that something, but simply the fact that _there is_ something. So the fact there's something is something that has to be true. The question "I doubt there's something in this universe" doesn't make sense.
  - ycombinete 3y ago
    I think you’re just saying “cogito, ergo sum”. Yours sounds more like, “something seeming therefore something seeming”.
codeulike 3y ago
You misunderstand me. Consciousness definitely exists, but its workings are likely different to our preconceptions of how it should work. I offer saccadic masking as an example of how aspects of how it works are 'hidden' from us. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccadic_masking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccadic_masking

steve_adams_86 3y ago

What if it isn’t exactly what it appears to be to us? If the answer was that simple, thousands of years of deep thinking would have been for nothing. I believe it’s actually a difficult, perhaps even impossible question to answer. The experience of consciousness, or that it’s like something to be you, doesn’t necessarily mean anything about how or why that’s possible or occurring in the first place.

anon-3988 3y ago
Perhaps our defintion of consciousness doesn't match. What I think of consciousness is something that can experience. It is not even experience, feelings, emotions, these are secondary things that arise in "consciousness". What you cannot deny is the fact there's something at all. You cannot doubt that there's something. If you doubt that, there's a contradiction. Not what is that something, but simply the fact that _there is_ something. So the fact there's something is something that has to be true. The question "I doubt there's something in this universe" doesn't make sense.
- ycombinete 3y ago
  I think you’re just saying “cogito, ergo sum”. Yours sounds more like, “something seeming therefore something seeming”.

codeulike 3y ago

You misunderstand me. Consciousness definitely exists, but its workings are likely different to our preconceptions of how it should work. I offer saccadic masking as an example of how aspects of how it works are 'hidden' from us. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccadic_masking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccadic_masking