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We raised chickens when I was a kid. They had a pretty good life, plenty of room to roam plus I fed them every day. When their time came, we gave them a quick

We raised chickens when I was a kid. They had a pretty good life, plenty of room to roam plus I fed them every day. When their time came, we gave them a quick painless death. No regrets

timeon 2y ago
> When their time came Were they mature?
- TehShrike 2y ago
  Yeah, they were mostly for eggs and pest control, most of them lived 2+ years. They didn't make the best meat to be honest
000ooo000 2y ago
There's always one of these in these discussions. "We thought we were nice to them so bringing them into existence simply to consume them feels ok"
- bamboozled 2y ago
  What is the issue with it? If they lead fairy nice long lives, I don't get it? You must fundamentally have a problem with existence because nearly any creature that lives in the wild is going to have a very gruesome, painful lonely death. If the worst thing that can happen is a chicken is protected, fed, given medicine when sick, have offspring and then eventually slaughtered in a rather human way after adulthood, I don't really see how it's so terrible.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    But where does that stop: I can replace chicken here with your kids; still ok? What’s the difference? Dogs? Chimpansees? Dolphins? Why chickens ok and the rest not in the same example?
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      If a much more intelligent species comes to earth and says, we'll kill you all now , or we'll farm you for organs, at age 70; However, we'll help your species have a fairly good life and chance of survival overall ? I'd take it. Even if my kids were impacted. Then imagine if they said: "it's likely that due to advancements in science, in 50 years we won't need to do this anymore because we'll have lab grown organs so we'll just leave you guys alone when we have what we need". I would double take that deal. This is likely where we are now. The major difference with all of this discussion though is that obviously, animals are conscious, I don't believe they're capable of reasoning where they would be disturbed or troubled by such a deal. We're capable of understanding that our kids will be slaughtered for organs in 70 years from their birth. We also have strong emotions tied to this. So we'd be upset about it so I think that makes it a worse deal. Not the worst possible deal in such a theoretical circumstance, but it would be better than annihilation. Definitely not saying this means this is ideal for anyone, animals or humans, nothing is perfect, I just don't think it's catastrophic.
      - anonzzzies 2y ago
        From some intelligent specifies like squids we don’t know: maybe they are disturbed by it and fear and hate humanity and plan their lives to be far away from them. They do plan and they remember things over generations. Not believing they can reason or proving they cannot reason are different things.
        bamboozled 2y ago
        I was fishing once, and I saw squid maul the face off a small yellow tail fish, I think the thing was still alive, it was a hideous way to go either way. It was one of the first times I realized how cruel the world can be. I used my sharp knife and made sure the little thing out of it's misery. But yeah, imagine that, being hugged by a squid and having your face chewed off by it's beak ? When I take the same fish, I use a fish spike, it's instant. Anyway, if Squid are conscious and have such high levels of thought as you describe, then they understand the game and are likely undisturbed by it. If squid went vegan, then I'd feel worse. This is why I think hunting is a much more fair way of obtaining protein. We're playing a much fairer game, factory farming and raping the ocean with super trawlers isn't.
- brigadier132 2y ago
  Everything dies, dying in nature is never free of suffering for these animals.

We raised chickens when I was a kid. They had a pretty good life, plenty of room to roam plus I fed them every day. When their time came, we gave them a quick painless death. No regrets

timeon 2y ago

> When their time came Were they mature?

TehShrike 2y ago
Yeah, they were mostly for eggs and pest control, most of them lived 2+ years. They didn't make the best meat to be honest

000ooo000 2y ago

There's always one of these in these discussions. "We thought we were nice to them so bringing them into existence simply to consume them feels ok"

bamboozled 2y ago
What is the issue with it? If they lead fairy nice long lives, I don't get it? You must fundamentally have a problem with existence because nearly any creature that lives in the wild is going to have a very gruesome, painful lonely death. If the worst thing that can happen is a chicken is protected, fed, given medicine when sick, have offspring and then eventually slaughtered in a rather human way after adulthood, I don't really see how it's so terrible.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  But where does that stop: I can replace chicken here with your kids; still ok? What’s the difference? Dogs? Chimpansees? Dolphins? Why chickens ok and the rest not in the same example?
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    If a much more intelligent species comes to earth and says, we'll kill you all now , or we'll farm you for organs, at age 70; However, we'll help your species have a fairly good life and chance of survival overall ? I'd take it. Even if my kids were impacted. Then imagine if they said: "it's likely that due to advancements in science, in 50 years we won't need to do this anymore because we'll have lab grown organs so we'll just leave you guys alone when we have what we need". I would double take that deal. This is likely where we are now. The major difference with all of this discussion though is that obviously, animals are conscious, I don't believe they're capable of reasoning where they would be disturbed or troubled by such a deal. We're capable of understanding that our kids will be slaughtered for organs in 70 years from their birth. We also have strong emotions tied to this. So we'd be upset about it so I think that makes it a worse deal. Not the worst possible deal in such a theoretical circumstance, but it would be better than annihilation. Definitely not saying this means this is ideal for anyone, animals or humans, nothing is perfect, I just don't think it's catastrophic.
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      From some intelligent specifies like squids we don’t know: maybe they are disturbed by it and fear and hate humanity and plan their lives to be far away from them. They do plan and they remember things over generations. Not believing they can reason or proving they cannot reason are different things.
      - bamboozled 2y ago
        I was fishing once, and I saw squid maul the face off a small yellow tail fish, I think the thing was still alive, it was a hideous way to go either way. It was one of the first times I realized how cruel the world can be. I used my sharp knife and made sure the little thing out of it's misery. But yeah, imagine that, being hugged by a squid and having your face chewed off by it's beak ? When I take the same fish, I use a fish spike, it's instant. Anyway, if Squid are conscious and have such high levels of thought as you describe, then they understand the game and are likely undisturbed by it. If squid went vegan, then I'd feel worse. This is why I think hunting is a much more fair way of obtaining protein. We're playing a much fairer game, factory farming and raping the ocean with super trawlers isn't.
brigadier132 2y ago
Everything dies, dying in nature is never free of suffering for these animals.