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While I agree with vegans in spirit, I think humans are closer to obligate carnivores than not; ergo, I think it is a neccessary sin to sacrifice animal life fo

While I agree with vegans in spirit, I think humans are closer to obligate carnivores than not; ergo, I think it is a neccessary sin to sacrifice animal life for sustinence until such time we can grow the proverbial walls of muscle on artificial life support from stem cells more cheaply than [no sin tax] standard beef. At that point, we must shut the slaughter houses for good.

chahex 3y ago
Vegetables may as well have feelings. Many vegetable demonstrates observable reactions to cuts. If you can switch the angle of perspective to plants like Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj do you might as well experience pains as plants were cut and eaten. The core of any sin is against the will i.e. I have heard there were people who would like to be eaten and found a guy who actually ate him. In the book I AM THAT Sri Nisargadatta said to a questioner:” Look, my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention; is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness -- love; you may give it any name you like. Love says: 'I am everything'. Wisdom says: 'I am nothing' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both.
- rustcleaner 3y ago
  Hello, fellow alchemist. :^)
- timeon 3y ago
  Eating plants = harming plants. Eating meat = harming plants and animals.
sneakay 3y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/#:~:text=Well%2Dplanned%20vegetarian%20diets%20are,or%20products%20containing%20those%20foods https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/#:~:text=Well%2Dpla.... It's been the position of the ADA for the past 10+ years that humans are not obligate carnivores.
cybercephas 3y ago
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CaptainNegative 3y ago
There's not really any evidence for this. On a source-by-source basis, plant-based protein quality tends to be a few percentage points lower than from animal sources due to the differing amino acid distribution, but mixing sources like rice+pea gets you all you need. Soy is already pretty good by itself if you're okay with just consuming a tad bit more. Personally I just add a protein shake to my diet and that more than makes up for the difference relative to my carnist days. The micronutrients that vegans need to watch out for are EPA/DHA (types of omega 3s) and Vitamin B12. Both are trivial to supplement, and not particulary expensive (especially now that Costco sells the former). The B12 you get via factory farmed meat is all supplemented to them anyway, so there's no difference in some hypothetical molecule quality. The last remaining micronutrient that might be tricky is Vitamin D3, if you don't get the necessary sun exposure. The D3 in standard supplements is usually made from sheep wool. But you can also replace that with relative ease, and many vegan options are really mixed D3+K2 supplements which is even better. Also available at Costco, for what it's worth.

chahex 3y ago

Vegetables may as well have feelings. Many vegetable demonstrates observable reactions to cuts. If you can switch the angle of perspective to plants like Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj do you might as well experience pains as plants were cut and eaten. The core of any sin is against the will i.e. I have heard there were people who would like to be eaten and found a guy who actually ate him. In the book I AM THAT Sri Nisargadatta said to a questioner:” Look, my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention; is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness -- love; you may give it any name you like. Love says: 'I am everything'. Wisdom says: 'I am nothing' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both.

rustcleaner 3y ago
Hello, fellow alchemist. :^)
timeon 3y ago
Eating plants = harming plants. Eating meat = harming plants and animals.

sneakay 3y ago

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/#:~:text=Well%2Dplanned%20vegetarian%20diets%20are,or%20products%20containing%20those%20foods https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19562864/#:~:text=Well%2Dpla.... It's been the position of the ADA for the past 10+ years that humans are not obligate carnivores.

cybercephas 3y ago

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CaptainNegative 3y ago

There's not really any evidence for this. On a source-by-source basis, plant-based protein quality tends to be a few percentage points lower than from animal sources due to the differing amino acid distribution, but mixing sources like rice+pea gets you all you need. Soy is already pretty good by itself if you're okay with just consuming a tad bit more. Personally I just add a protein shake to my diet and that more than makes up for the difference relative to my carnist days. The micronutrients that vegans need to watch out for are EPA/DHA (types of omega 3s) and Vitamin B12. Both are trivial to supplement, and not particulary expensive (especially now that Costco sells the former). The B12 you get via factory farmed meat is all supplemented to them anyway, so there's no difference in some hypothetical molecule quality. The last remaining micronutrient that might be tricky is Vitamin D3, if you don't get the necessary sun exposure. The D3 in standard supplements is usually made from sheep wool. But you can also replace that with relative ease, and many vegan options are really mixed D3+K2 supplements which is even better. Also available at Costco, for what it's worth.