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can someone explain why dhh has such strong feelings about katherine maher?

thinkingemote 2y ago
not sure. I searched comments: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=false&query=Katherine%20Maher&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal... Most recent are a reasonably mundane culture wars stuff but (more interesting to HN) it seems earlier Signal related ones appear to suggesting a degree of alignment with the USA government. The words "spook" and "compromised" are used in different comments. Edits. From the Signal page: "She is an appointed member of the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Affairs Policy Board, where she advises the Secretary of State on technology policy"
- rand846633 2y ago
  Can anyone explain what the deal is with that Us department of state foreign affairs policy board?
huslage 2y ago
DHH only has strong feelings. Katherine Maher is a great CEO and leader and has been taken out of context in order to isolate her and make her unsupportable by people who claim to not like cancel culture. The whole thing is ridiculous.
- slim 2y ago
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- probably_jesus 2y ago
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- thegrim33 2y ago
  You're the second person in this small thread to make a quip about "people claiming to not like cancel culture". Smells pretty fishy to me. Also the whole "she's a great CEO and leader" bit, what are the odds that you have personal experience to where you can make this claim? Even if you did, you could at least provide reasoning for why you think that. Anyways, all put together, I suspect a non-genuine person (or bot/LLM) posted this.
sp332 2y ago
Rufo, the guy who invented the Critical Race Theory conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo , posted a video clip of her and wildly misinterpreted it for clicks. There have been a bunch of submissions and I think all of them have been flagged dead. E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40080036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40080036
vlod 2y ago
Maybe it's this tweet: https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1780929268949614848 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1780929268949614848 From the tweet: EXCLUSIVE: Katherine Maher says that she abandoned a "free and open" internet as the mission of Wikipedia, because those principles recapitulated a "white male Westernized construct" and "did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be." There is a video of her speaking, which I find hard to translate.
- htk 2y ago
  Thank you for the link. Now I have enough to form an opinion about her.
  - theossuary 2y ago
    Totally. She seems really thoughtful and aware of how absolute freedom (anarchy) just leads to a situation where implicit power structures are created by those who get there first. Hope she and others keep doing good work to ensure that the site lives up to its goal, to catalog all knowledge, not just the knowledge that's easy to catalog.
    - htk 2y ago
      We formed completely different opinions. And that's fine.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
    - tim333 2y ago
      It seems a bit worrying to me as a frequent user of Wikipedia. I like a "free and open" internet.
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
A large part of how DHH stays relevant is by getting outraged about things on the Internet.
tim333 2y ago
There's an article here (admittedly a bit biased against her) "NPR Chief Bragged About Taking Censorship Orders From Feds As Head Of Wikipedia" https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/17/npr-chief-bragged-about-taking-censorship-orders-from-feds-as-head-of-wikipedia/ https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/17/npr-chief-bragged-about... which may explain some of it. It reminds me of an odd experience I had with Wikipedia around covid time - I edit a bit and thought you could say covid may have arisen zoonotically like all previous such pandemics or may have come from the nearby lab which was running job ads for bat coronavirus researchers at the time of the outbreak and as an open wiki you could consider both but no - the lab stuff was largely verboten and unmentionable. I guess the above article explains a bit how that happened maybe?

not sure. I searched comments: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=false&query=Katherine%20Maher&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal... Most recent are a reasonably mundane culture wars stuff but (more interesting to HN) it seems earlier Signal related ones appear to suggesting a degree of alignment with the USA government. The words "spook" and "compromised" are used in different comments. Edits. From the Signal page: "She is an appointed member of the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Affairs Policy Board, where she advises the Secretary of State on technology policy"

rand846633 2y ago
Can anyone explain what the deal is with that Us department of state foreign affairs policy board?

huslage 2y ago

DHH only has strong feelings. Katherine Maher is a great CEO and leader and has been taken out of context in order to isolate her and make her unsupportable by people who claim to not like cancel culture. The whole thing is ridiculous.

slim 2y ago
[flagged]
probably_jesus 2y ago
[dead]
thegrim33 2y ago
You're the second person in this small thread to make a quip about "people claiming to not like cancel culture". Smells pretty fishy to me. Also the whole "she's a great CEO and leader" bit, what are the odds that you have personal experience to where you can make this claim? Even if you did, you could at least provide reasoning for why you think that. Anyways, all put together, I suspect a non-genuine person (or bot/LLM) posted this.

sp332 2y ago

Rufo, the guy who invented the Critical Race Theory conspiracy theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo , posted a video clip of her and wildly misinterpreted it for clicks. There have been a bunch of submissions and I think all of them have been flagged dead. E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40080036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40080036

vlod 2y ago

Maybe it's this tweet: https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1780929268949614848 https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1780929268949614848 From the tweet: EXCLUSIVE: Katherine Maher says that she abandoned a "free and open" internet as the mission of Wikipedia, because those principles recapitulated a "white male Westernized construct" and "did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be." There is a video of her speaking, which I find hard to translate.

htk 2y ago
Thank you for the link. Now I have enough to form an opinion about her.
- theossuary 2y ago
  Totally. She seems really thoughtful and aware of how absolute freedom (anarchy) just leads to a situation where implicit power structures are created by those who get there first. Hope she and others keep doing good work to ensure that the site lives up to its goal, to catalog all knowledge, not just the knowledge that's easy to catalog.
  - htk 2y ago
    We formed completely different opinions. And that's fine.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - tim333 2y ago
    It seems a bit worrying to me as a frequent user of Wikipedia. I like a "free and open" internet.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago

A large part of how DHH stays relevant is by getting outraged about things on the Internet.

tim333 2y ago

There's an article here (admittedly a bit biased against her) "NPR Chief Bragged About Taking Censorship Orders From Feds As Head Of Wikipedia" https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/17/npr-chief-bragged-about-taking-censorship-orders-from-feds-as-head-of-wikipedia/ https://thefederalist.com/2024/04/17/npr-chief-bragged-about... which may explain some of it. It reminds me of an odd experience I had with Wikipedia around covid time - I edit a bit and thought you could say covid may have arisen zoonotically like all previous such pandemics or may have come from the nearby lab which was running job ads for bat coronavirus researchers at the time of the outbreak and as an open wiki you could consider both but no - the lab stuff was largely verboten and unmentionable. I guess the above article explains a bit how that happened maybe?