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Also isn’t a recall is a good thing for consumers? It means Tesla is fixing an error, not ignoring it.

ChuckMcM 3y ago
Absolutely, its good they are proactively fixing things, this particular issue with uncontrolled acceleration was particularly dangerous. In the US, consumer liability laws make these fixes mandatory but it is always better when a manufacturer voluntarily recalls a product than when it is ordered to by some oversight agency.
- ilovetux 3y ago
  Would this not classify as reactive since it is happening 3 weeks after hearing about it from a customer?
  - filoleg 3y ago
    Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” If they waited until NHTSA performed their investigation and made a recall request (which is how the heavy majority of the recalls in the US are performed), that would be reactive.
    - chrisjj 2y ago
      > Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” Actually not. "creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."
      - ChuckMcM 2y ago
        Actually it does :-). I get that being pedantic can be fun but if you actually forcibly misinterpret things base on pedantry you might find it doesn't serve you nearly as well as actually thinking about what was "meant".
        chrisjj 2y ago
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        TeMPOraL 2y ago
        There's everyday meaning, then there's the meaning as an industry term, and then there's a legal definition. The everyday meaning is the least relevant one in this context.
        chrisjj 2y ago
        I see no legal definition supporting the claim "Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.”" E.g. https://thelawdictionary.org/proactive/ https://thelawdictionary.org/proactive/ A behaviour that focuses on results and actions rather than acting when something happens. This type of behaviours aims to identify and take advantage of opportunities and also to prevent potential threats or problems. On the contrary, reactive behaviour works by retaliating when an event or problem has already occured.
        slowhadoken 2y ago
        What next, going toe to toe with us on bird law?
bennyhill 3y ago
Seems pretty scary to me that the supposed error causing uncontrolled acceleration is a little soap near interior matts. I guess I've been called a pig for not being extremely reckless with the cars I've owned.
- wongarsu 3y ago
  Soap in the glue joint between the accelerator pedal and its cover. You won't cause this by cleaning your car with soap
rcpt 3y ago
Yes I would love it if Honda would admit that the transmission on the Odyssey is bonkers but seems like they'll claim it's WAI until a lawsuit happens
sonicanatidae 3y ago
Yes and no. Yes, because recalls are a good thing, because the manuf. has acknowledged the issue and is trying to address it. No, because what glue sniffing idiot thought glue would be the best option, instead of just riveting the damn thing down, and never worrying about the pretty little piece of garbage coming loose and sticking the accel pedal down.
- jordanb 2y ago
  Fasteners are very expensive from a production perspective because they take a long time to install. This is why products these days are designed to be assemble with conformal, friction, or snap fit as much as possible. Deciding to sub in fasteners in the production line would have involved addition of at least one new position in the line to install the fasteners.
  - sonicanatidae 2y ago
    Agreed, to a point, but we're talking about the accel pedal in a vehicle with more torque than god. Glue is insufficient. It was insufficient with it was decided. It was insufficient when it was implemented and while I'm not a car designer, I can state that glue, in this case? Predictably insufficient.

Absolutely, its good they are proactively fixing things, this particular issue with uncontrolled acceleration was particularly dangerous. In the US, consumer liability laws make these fixes mandatory but it is always better when a manufacturer voluntarily recalls a product than when it is ordered to by some oversight agency.

ilovetux 3y ago
Would this not classify as reactive since it is happening 3 weeks after hearing about it from a customer?
- filoleg 3y ago
  Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” If they waited until NHTSA performed their investigation and made a recall request (which is how the heavy majority of the recalls in the US are performed), that would be reactive.
  - chrisjj 2y ago
    > Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” Actually not. "creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."
    - ChuckMcM 2y ago
      Actually it does :-). I get that being pedantic can be fun but if you actually forcibly misinterpret things base on pedantry you might find it doesn't serve you nearly as well as actually thinking about what was "meant".
      - chrisjj 2y ago
        [flagged]
        TeMPOraL 2y ago
        There's everyday meaning, then there's the meaning as an industry term, and then there's a legal definition. The everyday meaning is the least relevant one in this context.
        chrisjj 2y ago
        I see no legal definition supporting the claim "Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.”" E.g. https://thelawdictionary.org/proactive/ https://thelawdictionary.org/proactive/ A behaviour that focuses on results and actions rather than acting when something happens. This type of behaviours aims to identify and take advantage of opportunities and also to prevent potential threats or problems. On the contrary, reactive behaviour works by retaliating when an event or problem has already occured.
        slowhadoken 2y ago
        What next, going toe to toe with us on bird law?

bennyhill 3y ago

Seems pretty scary to me that the supposed error causing uncontrolled acceleration is a little soap near interior matts. I guess I've been called a pig for not being extremely reckless with the cars I've owned.

wongarsu 3y ago
Soap in the glue joint between the accelerator pedal and its cover. You won't cause this by cleaning your car with soap

rcpt 3y ago

Yes I would love it if Honda would admit that the transmission on the Odyssey is bonkers but seems like they'll claim it's WAI until a lawsuit happens

sonicanatidae 3y ago

Yes and no. Yes, because recalls are a good thing, because the manuf. has acknowledged the issue and is trying to address it. No, because what glue sniffing idiot thought glue would be the best option, instead of just riveting the damn thing down, and never worrying about the pretty little piece of garbage coming loose and sticking the accel pedal down.

jordanb 2y ago
Fasteners are very expensive from a production perspective because they take a long time to install. This is why products these days are designed to be assemble with conformal, friction, or snap fit as much as possible. Deciding to sub in fasteners in the production line would have involved addition of at least one new position in the line to install the fasteners.
- sonicanatidae 2y ago
  Agreed, to a point, but we're talking about the accel pedal in a vehicle with more torque than god. Glue is insufficient. It was insufficient with it was decided. It was insufficient when it was implemented and while I'm not a car designer, I can state that glue, in this case? Predictably insufficient.