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no it's called antisemitism. it's a long tradition of the western world washing its guilt by pointing their finger at their scapegoat the jew. This time, they

by jolj 2y ago

no it's called antisemitism. it's a long tradition of the western world washing its guilt by pointing their finger at their scapegoat the jew. This time, they try to wash the sin of the holocaust by comparing a small-scale local war to a continent-wide genocide

dunekid 2y ago
A genocide need not be a continent wide phenomenon. Systematically killing people with specific tags based on ethnicity, religion or regional markers are under the purview of it. And for a detailed explanation you can refer to the ICJ ruling on the current one.
- jolj 2y ago
  The ICJ has not ruled genocide because a trial will takes years and will more importantly require evidence. Accusations of 'genocide' toward Israel involvement in Gaza go back at least to 2006 and resurface in every war. The fact previous wars were of a much smaller extent and none ended in the full or partial destruction of the palestinian people in Gaza. This is why it is merely a narrative that fits perfectly into antisemitic preconceptions and is independent of reality
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  Israel is killing fewer civilians per legal combatant than any other anti-terror war in the middle east, even by HAMAS's numbers. In WW2, Germans suffered greatly when they were loosing the war, including malnutrition as resources got tighter and tighter. Germans starved because their country refused to make peace with their neighbors. Palestine is no different. HAMAS is the internationally recognized government of Palestine, and they chose to target and murder 1200ish innocent civilians who were in Israel. When you do that to your neighbor, you should not be surprised when they shoot back. Well, supposedly Palestinians are very supportive of targeting and murdering Israel civilians, so maybe that's why they don't stop HAMAS from doing so. Losing a war is not genocide. When we firebombed the Japanese, or Nuked them, that was not Genocide. When millions of soviets died defending their homeland, that was not genocide, even though Hitler himself wanted to exterminate "slavs" eventually. The plight of the Palestinians is truly awful, and in many ways Israel actively makes it worse. Things like their god awful "AI" BS system so that the IDF can pretend to not feel so bad about killing innocent Palestinians are atrocious. Things like the IDF being significantly made up of undertrained conscripts without the discipline to not steal shit from Palestinian homes is awful and unacceptable. Things like the stupid settlement bullshit on the West Bank, which is straight out of 1800s Europe or what Russia is trying to do right now with Ukraine and Georgia and other former soviet states, are unacceptable. Protesting interaction with Israel for those reasons, like wanting to not support an authoritarian regime that does things like that is great, and commendable. Carrying water for actual anti-semites using this situation to spread hatred of Jews and downplaying the holocaust is not great, and not commendable. Be careful, while trying to be a good person, that you do not make accidental bedfellows with the kind of people who sent death threats to a local town for putting up a fucking star of David to celebrate Hanukah, as if simply being Jewish makes you guilty of Israel's bad actions. Thanks to people like that, Jewish people all over the world are experiencing hatred. Don't help the people doing that. They are the ones pushing "Fighting back is Genocide" and they are doing it because they don't like jewish people. Losing a war is not Genocide. Blockades are acts of war, but not Genocide. Unrestricted submarine warfare was also intended to literally starve the British public to death, and that was not Genocide. Most war crimes aren't Genocide either. You can commit war crimes without committing genocide. Hell, even what Russia did with kidnapped Ukrainian citizens will probably never be recognized as genocide.
  - racional 2y ago
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  - dunekid 2y ago
    With respect, this is a myopic view. Gaza has been blockaded for a long time now. Sea, Air and Land. Not years, but more than a decade. Israel has restricted the calorie per citizen even before these recent events. Prevented them from collecting rainwater. Blowed up buildings hosting International media without scrutiny. It did not start with the recent events. And please do not compare with Germany, Britain or Japan, they had Large standing militaries, navies, and airforce. You simply can't say this is such a war.
keybored 2y ago
No wonder that it isn’t continent-wide given that the Palestinians of Gaza are walled in.

by jolj 2y ago

dunekid 2y ago

A genocide need not be a continent wide phenomenon. Systematically killing people with specific tags based on ethnicity, religion or regional markers are under the purview of it. And for a detailed explanation you can refer to the ICJ ruling on the current one.

jolj 2y ago
The ICJ has not ruled genocide because a trial will takes years and will more importantly require evidence. Accusations of 'genocide' toward Israel involvement in Gaza go back at least to 2006 and resurface in every war. The fact previous wars were of a much smaller extent and none ended in the full or partial destruction of the palestinian people in Gaza. This is why it is merely a narrative that fits perfectly into antisemitic preconceptions and is independent of reality
mrguyorama 2y ago
Israel is killing fewer civilians per legal combatant than any other anti-terror war in the middle east, even by HAMAS's numbers. In WW2, Germans suffered greatly when they were loosing the war, including malnutrition as resources got tighter and tighter. Germans starved because their country refused to make peace with their neighbors. Palestine is no different. HAMAS is the internationally recognized government of Palestine, and they chose to target and murder 1200ish innocent civilians who were in Israel. When you do that to your neighbor, you should not be surprised when they shoot back. Well, supposedly Palestinians are very supportive of targeting and murdering Israel civilians, so maybe that's why they don't stop HAMAS from doing so. Losing a war is not genocide. When we firebombed the Japanese, or Nuked them, that was not Genocide. When millions of soviets died defending their homeland, that was not genocide, even though Hitler himself wanted to exterminate "slavs" eventually. The plight of the Palestinians is truly awful, and in many ways Israel actively makes it worse. Things like their god awful "AI" BS system so that the IDF can pretend to not feel so bad about killing innocent Palestinians are atrocious. Things like the IDF being significantly made up of undertrained conscripts without the discipline to not steal shit from Palestinian homes is awful and unacceptable. Things like the stupid settlement bullshit on the West Bank, which is straight out of 1800s Europe or what Russia is trying to do right now with Ukraine and Georgia and other former soviet states, are unacceptable. Protesting interaction with Israel for those reasons, like wanting to not support an authoritarian regime that does things like that is great, and commendable. Carrying water for actual anti-semites using this situation to spread hatred of Jews and downplaying the holocaust is not great, and not commendable. Be careful, while trying to be a good person, that you do not make accidental bedfellows with the kind of people who sent death threats to a local town for putting up a fucking star of David to celebrate Hanukah, as if simply being Jewish makes you guilty of Israel's bad actions. Thanks to people like that, Jewish people all over the world are experiencing hatred. Don't help the people doing that. They are the ones pushing "Fighting back is Genocide" and they are doing it because they don't like jewish people. Losing a war is not Genocide. Blockades are acts of war, but not Genocide. Unrestricted submarine warfare was also intended to literally starve the British public to death, and that was not Genocide. Most war crimes aren't Genocide either. You can commit war crimes without committing genocide. Hell, even what Russia did with kidnapped Ukrainian citizens will probably never be recognized as genocide.
- racional 2y ago
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- dunekid 2y ago
  With respect, this is a myopic view. Gaza has been blockaded for a long time now. Sea, Air and Land. Not years, but more than a decade. Israel has restricted the calorie per citizen even before these recent events. Prevented them from collecting rainwater. Blowed up buildings hosting International media without scrutiny. It did not start with the recent events. And please do not compare with Germany, Britain or Japan, they had Large standing militaries, navies, and airforce. You simply can't say this is such a war.

keybored 2y ago

No wonder that it isn’t continent-wide given that the Palestinians of Gaza are walled in.