> Not 123, but "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". So they don't, and all you have to do to understand the context is just not cut out your own wo

> Not 123, but "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". So they don't, and all you have to do to understand the context is just not cut out your own words "Not uio as 123," is what I've shortened in my quote to "not uio", so no matter how much you stare at the pictures, you can't remove that. If you followed the conversation honestly, you could even fit 789, but still not 456. You also forgot the other part about input field recognition, so you've twisted both of my original qualifiers to fit your irrelevant experience as an important argument > The keys being shifted one row up from your idea to include the zero and period in the number pad is pretty much an immaterial difference to me here. You can include 0 and period just fine without any shifts. And it is material, just like breaking positioning of signs is. You're not a numpad person, so you don't know/care, but I am and do, so... > This is why I say "I used pretty dang similar keyboard layouts" ...that is why I keep saying that your experience is not related to what I was talking about > Ergonomics are often subjective and individual (not everyone's hands are the same!) But everyone's hands have fingers of different length which don't move in perfect grids. You can't subjectivate your way out of this simple biological fact > The reasons why I didn't care for the numpad mixed in the keyboard's alpha keys wouldn't change if you shifted the rows around. But then the reasons why other people care would change > All I've really been saying That's not what ... oh, wait, your just repeating the same falsehoods that I've already addressed