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Is this a problem? Having your country commit genocide should be very confronting. Is there a particular right to defend this?

Scarblac 2y ago
Despite confident sounding statements like that, there's nowhere near consensus that genocide is being committed in this war.
- drewmcarthur 2y ago
  well, only if you ignore the court rulings by the ICJ
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- courseofaction 2y ago
  You're right, I'm confident in my analysis that this is genocide but it's an emotional and difficult argument. Rather than get bogged in semantics, I'll settle for ethnic cleansing and argue from there: Israel has systematically displaced Palestinians with their own population for decades against international law. Israel has placed civilians in a conflict zone to occupy land. This is not a controversial set of facts and I encourage you to follow it up. Israel is absolutely breaking international law: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-new-moves-expand-israeli-settlements-occupied https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rig... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement Israel has used civilians for military objectives in occupied land. The civilians comprise part of Israel's hostile, occupying force against the owners of the land, no? The narrative that Hamas attacked simple peaceloving people and deserves to be crushed mercilessly is an oversimplification which ignores all context. Despite insightful sounding statements like yours, there's nothing added to the conversation by saying 'its complicated'. You muddy the mud.
lp0_on_fire 2y ago
Bringing your performative politics into the workplace is a problem, yes. I am 100 percent positive that if the shoe were on the other foot here, these former google employees would be screaming bloody murder. Protest on your own time and let the rest of us do our jobs and go home to our families. This is no different than protesters blocking roads or airports. At best you get a few minutes of fame on the nightly news and at worst you end up alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your cause.
- courseofaction 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem - The banality of evil, evil requires people to 'just do their jobs'. The thing is, if you were a palestinian male you would likely be bombed in your home with your family once you got there. I'd be pretty pissed off about that too, and feel obliged to inform the people working on the system that killed you that they are doing some plainly evil shit. I refer to this: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ Edit: The flagged of truth. :P
- throwaway44773 2y ago
  The right equivalent would be a christian proselytizing to his colleagues. He’d end up with HR complaints quite quickly.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  The question was would you feel "intimidated and threatened", not whether it's a problem or appropriate for the workplace.
  - lp0_on_fire 2y ago
    By definition something that is intimidating or threatening is inappropriate for the workplace so I don't see the point you're trying to make.
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matrix87 2y ago
would you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? people have a right to feel at ease in the workplace. if you think that your politics come before that, you aren't mature enough to work in a professional environment
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > would you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about doing so? Have the Russians killed 15,000 children in 6 months with the aid of those weapons? Let's keep these analogies somewhat accurate.
  - matrix87 2y ago
    > the company Where in my comment did I say anything about the company? GP was referring to making specific coworkers feel uncomfortable on the basis of ethnic identity If you think your politics take precedence over having a workplace where people can be productive without feeling under threat, consider freelance work If you disagree with your employer on such a fundamental level, maybe consider a different employer? If you leaving isn't enough to make them change their mind, what more will this degree of protesting accomplish?
    - lern_too_spel 2y ago
      A lot of people are talking about Nimbus now. Would they be if these employees had simply quit?
  - 0xBDB 2y ago
    > Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about >doing so? Is there some evidence that this is a defense/military-related project despite Google's public denials that that is the case? Honest question, I have no idea.

Scarblac 2y ago

Despite confident sounding statements like that, there's nowhere near consensus that genocide is being committed in this war.

drewmcarthur 2y ago
well, only if you ignore the court rulings by the ICJ
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courseofaction 2y ago
You're right, I'm confident in my analysis that this is genocide but it's an emotional and difficult argument. Rather than get bogged in semantics, I'll settle for ethnic cleansing and argue from there: Israel has systematically displaced Palestinians with their own population for decades against international law. Israel has placed civilians in a conflict zone to occupy land. This is not a controversial set of facts and I encourage you to follow it up. Israel is absolutely breaking international law: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-new-moves-expand-israeli-settlements-occupied https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rig... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement Israel has used civilians for military objectives in occupied land. The civilians comprise part of Israel's hostile, occupying force against the owners of the land, no? The narrative that Hamas attacked simple peaceloving people and deserves to be crushed mercilessly is an oversimplification which ignores all context. Despite insightful sounding statements like yours, there's nothing added to the conversation by saying 'its complicated'. You muddy the mud.

lp0_on_fire 2y ago

Bringing your performative politics into the workplace is a problem, yes. I am 100 percent positive that if the shoe were on the other foot here, these former google employees would be screaming bloody murder. Protest on your own time and let the rest of us do our jobs and go home to our families. This is no different than protesters blocking roads or airports. At best you get a few minutes of fame on the nightly news and at worst you end up alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your cause.

courseofaction 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem - The banality of evil, evil requires people to 'just do their jobs'. The thing is, if you were a palestinian male you would likely be bombed in your home with your family once you got there. I'd be pretty pissed off about that too, and feel obliged to inform the people working on the system that killed you that they are doing some plainly evil shit. I refer to this: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ Edit: The flagged of truth. :P
throwaway44773 2y ago
The right equivalent would be a christian proselytizing to his colleagues. He’d end up with HR complaints quite quickly.
yencabulator 2y ago
The question was would you feel "intimidated and threatened", not whether it's a problem or appropriate for the workplace.
- lp0_on_fire 2y ago
  By definition something that is intimidating or threatening is inappropriate for the workplace so I don't see the point you're trying to make.
  - 2y ago

matrix87 2y ago

would you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? people have a right to feel at ease in the workplace. if you think that your politics come before that, you aren't mature enough to work in a professional environment

mandmandam 2y ago
> would you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about doing so? Have the Russians killed 15,000 children in 6 months with the aid of those weapons? Let's keep these analogies somewhat accurate.
- matrix87 2y ago
  > the company Where in my comment did I say anything about the company? GP was referring to making specific coworkers feel uncomfortable on the basis of ethnic identity If you think your politics take precedence over having a workplace where people can be productive without feeling under threat, consider freelance work If you disagree with your employer on such a fundamental level, maybe consider a different employer? If you leaving isn't enough to make them change their mind, what more will this degree of protesting accomplish?
  - lern_too_spel 2y ago
    A lot of people are talking about Nimbus now. Would they be if these employees had simply quit?
- 0xBDB 2y ago
  > Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about >doing so? Is there some evidence that this is a defense/military-related project despite Google's public denials that that is the case? Honest question, I have no idea.