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As a followup to this, in this Techcrunch article[1] it says that all 3,878 Cybertrucks shipped to date have been recalled. That isn't a lot of cars. Apart from

As a followup to this, in this Techcrunch article[1] it says that all 3,878 Cybertrucks shipped to date have been recalled. That isn't a lot of cars. Apart from what it says about sales of the Cybertruck, that suggests they haven't had enough customer miles on these things yet to flesh out the more subtle issues. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/19/tesla-cybertruck-throttle-accelerator-pedal-stuck/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/19/tesla-cybertruck-throttle-...

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
> Apart from what it says about sales of the Cybertruck, What? It says nothing about Cybertruck sales and everything about how slow they've been to ramp up production. Tesla has a well-known history of being slow to put a new model into production. I find it odd that you would assume less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been sold because of lack of interest.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Musk said last November they had capacity then for 125,000 trucks a year. Are you saying he lied to us?
  - bobmcnamara 3y ago
    Why are there even gas pedals? Musk said self driving is a solved problem.
  - Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
    Yeah. He's been known to do that.
slowhadoken 3y ago
Also isn’t a recall is a good thing for consumers? It means Tesla is fixing an error, not ignoring it.
- ChuckMcM 3y ago
  Absolutely, its good they are proactively fixing things, this particular issue with uncontrolled acceleration was particularly dangerous. In the US, consumer liability laws make these fixes mandatory but it is always better when a manufacturer voluntarily recalls a product than when it is ordered to by some oversight agency.
  - ilovetux 3y ago
    Would this not classify as reactive since it is happening 3 weeks after hearing about it from a customer?
    - filoleg 3y ago
      Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” If they waited until NHTSA performed their investigation and made a recall request (which is how the heavy majority of the recalls in the US are performed), that would be reactive.
      - chrisjj 3y ago
        > Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” Actually not. "creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."
        ChuckMcM 3y ago
        Actually it does :-). I get that being pedantic can be fun but if you actually forcibly misinterpret things base on pedantry you might find it doesn't serve you nearly as well as actually thinking about what was "meant".
        chrisjj 3y ago
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KennyBlanken 3y ago
For a halo vehicle that's typical volume. There are numerous car companies with those sorts of sales numbers on a particular model and they don't have these issues, mostly because they aren't stupid enough to make their own stuff. Rolls Royce doesn't make their own gas pedal; they go to a company that makes them. Nearly every problem Tesla has can be attributed to Musk's insistence that he knows better than an industry that is extremely cutthroat and has learned lessons from a century of being in business. He has been propped up by customers and VCs who think that means the auto industry is "stodgy", when really they didn't understand all the reasons things are done the way they are. It's like the fresh college grad who comes onto the SW eng team having made some clever app while he was a sophomore...and says "oh you're doing it all wrong" to senior engineers. One major mistake Musk made is confusing "big five" (GM, Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, VAG) ambivalence toward electric cars with incompetence. In Ford's case that is fairly accurate - the Mach E is an engineering embarrassment, the Lightning less so, probably because there is enormous organizational pressure to not fuck up in the product line that is their bread and butter. VAG has demonstrated great competency at EVs (Porsche and Audi mostly) at the high end of the market...and once GM really gets its Ultium platform going, Tesla is well and truly fucked if they intend to keep making cars instead of just shifting to being an 'electric gas station' company...but they're on their heels there too, having slept while CCS surpassed their charging standard years ago.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  I don't think anyone thinks traditional auto is incompetent at manufacturing. I think lots of people have their doubts about the strategic product vision of big auto executives, who traditionally have tactically chased short-term profit margins with tunnel vision that would make GE cringe.
- ajross 3y ago
  > There are numerous car companies with those sorts of sales numbers on a particular model and they don't have these issues Recalls are absolutely routine in this industry, though. This sounds like a semantic argument hiding behind "these issues" as being somehow different from "those" issues?
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Sohcahtoa82 3y ago

> Apart from what it says about sales of the Cybertruck, What? It says nothing about Cybertruck sales and everything about how slow they've been to ramp up production. Tesla has a well-known history of being slow to put a new model into production. I find it odd that you would assume less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been sold because of lack of interest.

asadotzler 3y ago
Musk said last November they had capacity then for 125,000 trucks a year. Are you saying he lied to us?
- bobmcnamara 3y ago
  Why are there even gas pedals? Musk said self driving is a solved problem.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  Yeah. He's been known to do that.

slowhadoken 3y ago

Also isn’t a recall is a good thing for consumers? It means Tesla is fixing an error, not ignoring it.

ChuckMcM 3y ago
Absolutely, its good they are proactively fixing things, this particular issue with uncontrolled acceleration was particularly dangerous. In the US, consumer liability laws make these fixes mandatory but it is always better when a manufacturer voluntarily recalls a product than when it is ordered to by some oversight agency.
- ilovetux 3y ago
  Would this not classify as reactive since it is happening 3 weeks after hearing about it from a customer?
  - filoleg 3y ago
    Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” If they waited until NHTSA performed their investigation and made a recall request (which is how the heavy majority of the recalls in the US are performed), that would be reactive.
    - chrisjj 3y ago
      > Proactive, in this case, means “before they are legally required to.” Actually not. "creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened."
      - ChuckMcM 3y ago
        Actually it does :-). I get that being pedantic can be fun but if you actually forcibly misinterpret things base on pedantry you might find it doesn't serve you nearly as well as actually thinking about what was "meant".
        chrisjj 3y ago
        [flagged]

KennyBlanken 3y ago

For a halo vehicle that's typical volume. There are numerous car companies with those sorts of sales numbers on a particular model and they don't have these issues, mostly because they aren't stupid enough to make their own stuff. Rolls Royce doesn't make their own gas pedal; they go to a company that makes them. Nearly every problem Tesla has can be attributed to Musk's insistence that he knows better than an industry that is extremely cutthroat and has learned lessons from a century of being in business. He has been propped up by customers and VCs who think that means the auto industry is "stodgy", when really they didn't understand all the reasons things are done the way they are. It's like the fresh college grad who comes onto the SW eng team having made some clever app while he was a sophomore...and says "oh you're doing it all wrong" to senior engineers. One major mistake Musk made is confusing "big five" (GM, Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, VAG) ambivalence toward electric cars with incompetence. In Ford's case that is fairly accurate - the Mach E is an engineering embarrassment, the Lightning less so, probably because there is enormous organizational pressure to not fuck up in the product line that is their bread and butter. VAG has demonstrated great competency at EVs (Porsche and Audi mostly) at the high end of the market...and once GM really gets its Ultium platform going, Tesla is well and truly fucked if they intend to keep making cars instead of just shifting to being an 'electric gas station' company...but they're on their heels there too, having slept while CCS surpassed their charging standard years ago.

ethbr1 3y ago
I don't think anyone thinks traditional auto is incompetent at manufacturing. I think lots of people have their doubts about the strategic product vision of big auto executives, who traditionally have tactically chased short-term profit margins with tunnel vision that would make GE cringe.
ajross 3y ago
> There are numerous car companies with those sorts of sales numbers on a particular model and they don't have these issues Recalls are absolutely routine in this industry, though. This sounds like a semantic argument hiding behind "these issues" as being somehow different from "those" issues?
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