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This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How

This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How can it be a recall if it can be fixed without my car going anywhere? The media just wants to make Tesla look bad! This isn’t a recall because Tesla can update it OTA, something the dinosaurs can’t!” (Which ignores that while Tesla can update more than most other manufacturers, my car gets regular OTA updates too.) Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” That was a recall, too.

iknowstuff 3y ago
What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those
- theatrus2 3y ago
  Lots of continual updates, some release notes aggregated at third party sites like this: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/ https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/
  - ripjaygn 3y ago
    Those are Tesla updates. They were asking about non-Tesla OTA updates, for the Lincoln cars I think.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  On my Audi? MMI updates being an easy one, who cares, but updates to the HUD, to the digital cluster.
ripjaygn 3y ago
This was the article headline from NYPost(yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN): "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles over warning lights" The recall over "warning lights" turned out be a font size increase in the UI on the screen. I guess it's a light because pixels glow. This was CNN's headline: "Tesla recalls nearly all 2 million of its vehicles on US roads" CNN doesn't like Tesla as well. Do you think NYPost or the CNN shouldn't have added 'software' in the headline, perhaps before the word recall? Why or why not? Not even saying it should be 'over-the-air software recall'. It can't be a space issue, NYPost found the space to add "Elon Musk" to the headline to fuel extra negativity and the CNN's headline is short.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN But we must blame the left whenever the right eats itself! Or maybe we live in a multipolar world? ....nah
  - ripjaygn 3y ago
    The oil lobby pays the right wing, Musk does not. So they demonize Tesla and EVs and the left has joined them since a few years, to my disgust. I used to be a die hard liberal, I only lately realized that liberal media and many liberals don't care two hoots about climate change. I used to defend them all the time. They've been publishing hit pieces and even fake news about Tesla just because they don't like Musk. They lost the moral high ground about fake news. Those are heavily upvoted on liberal social media like HN and Reddit. I don't like what Musk has been doing lately but I do care about the environment and don't hate Tesla and SpaceX like people on here. I was going to buy an EV even at a price premium but now I don't care. I'll buy a gas guzzler like the rest. I am too old for climate change to affect me and it turns out the young ones don't care enough about it themselves. I used to be very liberal but seeing how Tesla is maligned on HN and Reddit changed me. I don't think I will vote red but I will never vote blue from now on. And then more liberals will wonder why the vote is so close come November.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      > I used to be a die hard liberal I have such skepticism on these things. I don't think you alter your fundamental world view on things like human rights, the environment and such because of "liberal media". I think exposure to viewpoints that either validate your biases or contradict your worldview strengthen your position, and rarely change it. In short, I am always skeptical about "I used to be a liberal, but..." (and for clarity, "I used to be conservative, but...") - it's almost exclusively a weird argument to authority. "I know, I understand, I got you. But I saw the light." No, you were probably always conservative, deep down. This can also differ if you're talking exclusively the political parties, who generally fall under "all suck" in my view.
ripjaygn 3y ago
> Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. > “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” Great and perfect example, thanks for bringing that up. I searched for that issue and every single news article I could find [1] had "missing owner's manual information" or the equivalent right in the headline. Only Ford or Lincoln haters would argue that removing that information in the headline is a fair and acceptable thing to do. Are you still going to argue that Tesla is treated the same as Lincoln by the media and on HN? Is hoping for more context in the headlines a bad and unreasonable thing? [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-missing-owners-manual-info/ https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-... https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mi... https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-million-vehicles-for-incomplete-owners-manual/ https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-mi... https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles-owner-manual/70439/ https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-trucks-and-suvs-due-to-missing-instructions-216630.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-tr... https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-recalled-over-missing-instructions/ https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-re... https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mil... https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-owners-manual-omission/ https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-...
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  > Only Ford or Lincoln haters Your mistake here is assuming that people are comprised of "haters" and others. I couldn't care less about Lincoln. I own a Navigator. My partner drives it 99% of the time. It was just the first example that came to mind. I think Tesla's are overrated for their price - the Model S has (I haven't been in one in 18 months, to be clear) luxury euro pricing for a build quality that is in many cases worse than an econobox Hyundai or Mazda. I lean on the dash in my Audi and it doesn't bow or flex or creak or make me worried that some plastic is about to break. It did in the S. My butt fell asleep after a few hours in a Tesla passenger seat. "Do not use a car wash if the vehicle will be in direct sunlight". Windshields not glued on, at all. Entire brakes missing. Different tires on all four wheels. These aren't teething issues, Tesla is more than two decades old at this point. And doubly so when your CEO gives interviews that have him saying with a straight face, "At this point, I know more about manufacturing than any person living on the planet."

iknowstuff 3y ago

What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those

theatrus2 3y ago
Lots of continual updates, some release notes aggregated at third party sites like this: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/ https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/
- ripjaygn 3y ago
  Those are Tesla updates. They were asking about non-Tesla OTA updates, for the Lincoln cars I think.
FireBeyond 3y ago
On my Audi? MMI updates being an easy one, who cares, but updates to the HUD, to the digital cluster.

ripjaygn 3y ago

This was the article headline from NYPost(yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN): "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles over warning lights" The recall over "warning lights" turned out be a font size increase in the UI on the screen. I guess it's a light because pixels glow. This was CNN's headline: "Tesla recalls nearly all 2 million of its vehicles on US roads" CNN doesn't like Tesla as well. Do you think NYPost or the CNN shouldn't have added 'software' in the headline, perhaps before the word recall? Why or why not? Not even saying it should be 'over-the-air software recall'. It can't be a space issue, NYPost found the space to add "Elon Musk" to the headline to fuel extra negativity and the CNN's headline is short.

klyrs 3y ago
> yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN But we must blame the left whenever the right eats itself! Or maybe we live in a multipolar world? ....nah
- ripjaygn 3y ago
  The oil lobby pays the right wing, Musk does not. So they demonize Tesla and EVs and the left has joined them since a few years, to my disgust. I used to be a die hard liberal, I only lately realized that liberal media and many liberals don't care two hoots about climate change. I used to defend them all the time. They've been publishing hit pieces and even fake news about Tesla just because they don't like Musk. They lost the moral high ground about fake news. Those are heavily upvoted on liberal social media like HN and Reddit. I don't like what Musk has been doing lately but I do care about the environment and don't hate Tesla and SpaceX like people on here. I was going to buy an EV even at a price premium but now I don't care. I'll buy a gas guzzler like the rest. I am too old for climate change to affect me and it turns out the young ones don't care enough about it themselves. I used to be very liberal but seeing how Tesla is maligned on HN and Reddit changed me. I don't think I will vote red but I will never vote blue from now on. And then more liberals will wonder why the vote is so close come November.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    > I used to be a die hard liberal I have such skepticism on these things. I don't think you alter your fundamental world view on things like human rights, the environment and such because of "liberal media". I think exposure to viewpoints that either validate your biases or contradict your worldview strengthen your position, and rarely change it. In short, I am always skeptical about "I used to be a liberal, but..." (and for clarity, "I used to be conservative, but...") - it's almost exclusively a weird argument to authority. "I know, I understand, I got you. But I saw the light." No, you were probably always conservative, deep down. This can also differ if you're talking exclusively the political parties, who generally fall under "all suck" in my view.

ripjaygn 3y ago

> Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. > “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” Great and perfect example, thanks for bringing that up. I searched for that issue and every single news article I could find [1] had "missing owner's manual information" or the equivalent right in the headline. Only Ford or Lincoln haters would argue that removing that information in the headline is a fair and acceptable thing to do. Are you still going to argue that Tesla is treated the same as Lincoln by the media and on HN? Is hoping for more context in the headlines a bad and unreasonable thing? [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-missing-owners-manual-info/ https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-... https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mi... https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-million-vehicles-for-incomplete-owners-manual/ https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-mi... https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles-owner-manual/70439/ https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-trucks-and-suvs-due-to-missing-instructions-216630.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-tr... https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-recalled-over-missing-instructions/ https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-re... https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mil... https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-owners-manual-omission/ https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-...

FireBeyond 3y ago
> Only Ford or Lincoln haters Your mistake here is assuming that people are comprised of "haters" and others. I couldn't care less about Lincoln. I own a Navigator. My partner drives it 99% of the time. It was just the first example that came to mind. I think Tesla's are overrated for their price - the Model S has (I haven't been in one in 18 months, to be clear) luxury euro pricing for a build quality that is in many cases worse than an econobox Hyundai or Mazda. I lean on the dash in my Audi and it doesn't bow or flex or creak or make me worried that some plastic is about to break. It did in the S. My butt fell asleep after a few hours in a Tesla passenger seat. "Do not use a car wash if the vehicle will be in direct sunlight". Windshields not glued on, at all. Entire brakes missing. Different tires on all four wheels. These aren't teething issues, Tesla is more than two decades old at this point. And doubly so when your CEO gives interviews that have him saying with a straight face, "At this point, I know more about manufacturing than any person living on the planet."