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Do you have references for the “intimidated and threatened” bit? Is there a claim it went beyond a peaceful protest?
by theptip 3y ago
Do you have references for the “intimidated and threatened” bit? Is there a claim it went beyond a peaceful protest?
- paxys 3y agoIf you go in to the office and there are dozens of people sitting at your desk waving flags and having political protests and refusing to let you enter and do your job, what would you call that exactly? Is that a safe working environment? How do you think an Israeli employee in that same office would have felt on the day of the protests? These protests don't happen in a vacuum. The entire purpose is to disrupt day to day work and make people take notice.
- courseofaction 3y agoIs this a problem? Having your country commit genocide should be very confronting. Is there a particular right to defend this?
- Scarblac 3y agoDespite confident sounding statements like that, there's nowhere near consensus that genocide is being committed in this war.
- drewmcarthur 3y agowell, only if you ignore the court rulings by the ICJ
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- courseofaction 3y agoYou're right, I'm confident in my analysis that this is genocide but it's an emotional and difficult argument. Rather than get bogged in semantics, I'll settle for ethnic cleansing and argue from there: Israel has systematically displaced Palestinians with their own population for decades against international law. Israel has placed civilians in a conflict zone to occupy land. This is not a controversial set of facts and I encourage you to follow it up. Israel is absolutely breaking international law: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rights-chief-deplores-new-moves-expand-israeli-settlements-occupied https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/un-human-rig... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement Israel has used civilians for military objectives in occupied land. The civilians comprise part of Israel's hostile, occupying force against the owners of the land, no? The narrative that Hamas attacked simple peaceloving people and deserves to be crushed mercilessly is an oversimplification which ignores all context. Despite insightful sounding statements like yours, there's nothing added to the conversation by saying 'its complicated'. You muddy the mud.
- lp0_on_fire 3y agoBringing your performative politics into the workplace is a problem, yes. I am 100 percent positive that if the shoe were on the other foot here, these former google employees would be screaming bloody murder. Protest on your own time and let the rest of us do our jobs and go home to our families. This is no different than protesters blocking roads or airports. At best you get a few minutes of fame on the nightly news and at worst you end up alienating people who would otherwise be sympathetic to your cause.
- courseofaction 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem - The banality of evil, evil requires people to 'just do their jobs'. The thing is, if you were a palestinian male you would likely be bombed in your home with your family once you got there. I'd be pretty pissed off about that too, and feel obliged to inform the people working on the system that killed you that they are doing some plainly evil shit. I refer to this: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ Edit: The flagged of truth. :P
- throwaway44773 3y agoThe right equivalent would be a christian proselytizing to his colleagues. He’d end up with HR complaints quite quickly.
- yencabulator 3y agoThe question was would you feel "intimidated and threatened", not whether it's a problem or appropriate for the workplace.
- lp0_on_fire 3y agoBy definition something that is intimidating or threatening is inappropriate for the workplace so I don't see the point you're trying to make.
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- matrix87 3y agowould you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? people have a right to feel at ease in the workplace. if you think that your politics come before that, you aren't mature enough to work in a professional environment
- mandmandam 3y ago> would you go up to a Russian coworker and get in their face about Ukraine? Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about doing so? Have the Russians killed 15,000 children in 6 months with the aid of those weapons? Let's keep these analogies somewhat accurate.
- matrix87 3y ago> the company Where in my comment did I say anything about the company? GP was referring to making specific coworkers feel uncomfortable on the basis of ethnic identity If you think your politics take precedence over having a workplace where people can be productive without feeling under threat, consider freelance work If you disagree with your employer on such a fundamental level, maybe consider a different employer? If you leaving isn't enough to make them change their mind, what more will this degree of protesting accomplish?
- lern_too_spel 3y agoA lot of people are talking about Nimbus now. Would they be if these employees had simply quit?
- 0xBDB 3y ago> Is the company supplying arms to Russia? Is the coworker the boss who lied about >doing so? Is there some evidence that this is a defense/military-related project despite Google's public denials that that is the case? Honest question, I have no idea.
- o11c 3y ago[flagged]
- tonfreed 3y agoOk, so should James Demore be reinstated? All the did was post something that no one had to even read on an internal page.
- lupusreal 3y agoSo if bomb threats are intimidation, nothing short of bomb threats can also be intimidation? Explain yourself.
- o11c 3y agoDid I say that? No, I was referring to the fact that Israel is bombing every place where Palestinians live, and Google is helping them do it.
- lupusreal 3y agoActively bombing people, as Israel is doing, is far more than intimidation. In my view they're committing a genocide. But how does this make the other not intimidation? If you weren't implying that the other doesn't qualify as intimidation, then your comment makes zero sense.
- neilk 3y agoYes, that is perfectly safe. And obviously so. It may be upsetting, or disruptive to work, or a firing offense, but per your description nobody was in danger.
- frakkingcylons 3y agoNo I would not feel like my safety was threatened. I can imagine much more concerning shit than people sitting and holding signs.
- ALittleLight 3y agoIt's not about feeling like your safety is threatened physically or that you will be hurt or killed. I agree "threatened" or "safety" language is slightly out of place - but I'm not sure what the right alternative is. The issue is, imagine you disagree with these protesters. Do you feel comfortable saying "Actually, I support Israel because X, Y, and Z. This isn't really a genocide, blah blah blah." I think most people would not feel comfortable disagreeing with a small crowd loudly protesting. Nor should you feel comfortable, in my view, expressing that opinion at work. That opinion might make other people with contrasting opinions feel uncomfortable. It might make them hate you. Work isn't about opining on politics or current affairs, it's about, in Google's case, slightly altering your login form or cancelling products. Employees at work should focus on their jobs, or privately talk with people they are comfortable around - not really a problem if two friends and coworkers have a small political debate over lunch, more of a problem if there is a conversation imposed on unwilling participants. The issue is that some people violate this unspoken agreement and force their political fixations on everyone else.
- mandmandam 3y ago[flagged]
- deanCommie 3y ago[flagged]
- taskforcegemini 3y agobut if genocide was the goal, wouldn't Israel already be done? and isn't genocide the goal of the Palestinians (or Irans Government)?
- aaron695 3y ago[dead]