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I see that this post was flagged, I am curious why and hope we can discuss that. I had not heard of this group at Google nor the story of their arrest/terminati

I see that this post was flagged, I am curious why and hope we can discuss that. I had not heard of this group at Google nor the story of their arrest/termination, and I found the account to be interesting and worthy of a spot on HN.

elAhmo 2y ago
Purpose of flagging it to not have a discussion about this as it sheds a light about what is happening.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  If you browse HN's recent history, you'll find that nearly every single "Google/Israel" related article that gained any traction has gotten flagged by readers. People are clearly abusing "flag" as a mega-downvote to bury discussions they don't want to see happening. Pretty sad. I don't have a strong opinion on this topic, but I don't think this is appropriate behavior here. HN's "flamewar detector" should be enough to quickly move these stories off the front page if they get too hot. Why also flag?
  - jules-jules 2y ago
    Dang has to rescue pretty much every single Israel post as they are getting mass flagged to oblivion.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - thegrim33 2y ago
    No, I flag them because, like this thread, 99% of comments are just political/social warfare and has nothing to do with technology. It's just an extension of the culture war. You can go on Reddit or Facebook or basically anywhere else on the internet to do your cultural warfare. Can we have a single place left where we don't fall into that pit?
    - dunekid 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - lp0_on_fire 2y ago
        > The GPUs running the Genocide AI This is why the submissions tend to get flagged.
        dunekid 2y ago
        That's not true. You can see UN sites get flagged to death. Here I was just saying that HN discussion are not strictly bound to be technological. Parent was saying they would flag basically everything related to this.
    - ambrozk 2y ago
      Of course the protest is about technology -- it's about the provision of technology to governments who use that technology for war. Why wouldn't you expect the employees of these companies have a position on that? Like a lot of people here, I have family who died in the Holocaust. It is highly likely that the camps they moved through were using tech supplied by IBM. Would it have been "culture warring" for tech employees circa 1938, to publicize the human rights abuses being enabled by their companies? Because that's what the people who support these protesters think is going on here.
    - frob 2y ago
      When there's a genocide going on backed by the largest military power in the world, it should take up all the oxygen. If you want to ignore it, just press "Hide" instead of "Flag."
Ajay-p 2y ago
IMHO because of lot of HN supports social justice and protesting, and they are supportive of employees taking action against any company that is doing something that goes against their principles.
- paxys 2y ago
  The people who are in support of social justice and protesting will want this article on the front page. Those who flagged it aren't in that category.
belorn 2y ago
The Israel–Hamas war does not have much room for calm and intellectual discussion. Was there a specific angle or pov you are specific interested in?
- paxys 2y ago
  The discussion is not about the war, it's about a bunch of tech employees getting fired. It should be relevant for a large chunk of this site's user base. It certainly does not break the rules in any way to warrant mass flagging.
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    "If you lock yourself CTO's office and refuse to leave, you will be fired" I fail to see what is particularly compelling about this scenario, and why it warrants discussion. Are we trying to make it a norm to lock yourself in executive offices or something?
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - paxys 2y ago
      I don't find most of the submissions on this site compelling. That doesn't mean I flag them and try to have them removed. People can choose to just...not participate. > Are we trying to make it a norm to lock yourself in executive offices or something? Posting and discussing an article about something happening doesn't mean you condone the behavior it is describing. Should we just not be allowed to discuss any news over here? Or only news that fits one particular narrative?
  - cooloo 2y ago
    So you lock yourself in executive room , what do you think will happen?
kortilla 2y ago
There isn’t anything intellectually interesting about this. It’s drama over a very long standing political lightning rod
- belligeront 2y ago
  It has been reported Israel is using AI to choose bombing targets. How is that not intellectually interesting or relevant to a forum about technology? https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
  - greenyoda 2y ago
    That article already had a huge discussion when it came out: 1418 points, 1601 comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 And there have already been two big discussions about the Google protests, covering the employees' arrests and their subsequent firings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40060532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40060532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40072295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40072295
    - ambrozk 2y ago
      Yes, so it's clearly quite relevant to this board.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- Phiwise_ 2y ago
  Perhaps someone should spin up intellectuallyinteresting.ycombinator.com?
- courseofaction 2y ago
  Not only are they using novel AI-driven target selection technology, they changed the 'acceptable collateral damage' from 0 to 25 civilians per fighter for the recent genocide, without adding humans to the analysis loop. This is AI driven genocide and HN should be paying full attention.

elAhmo 2y ago

Purpose of flagging it to not have a discussion about this as it sheds a light about what is happening.

ryandrake 2y ago
If you browse HN's recent history, you'll find that nearly every single "Google/Israel" related article that gained any traction has gotten flagged by readers. People are clearly abusing "flag" as a mega-downvote to bury discussions they don't want to see happening. Pretty sad. I don't have a strong opinion on this topic, but I don't think this is appropriate behavior here. HN's "flamewar detector" should be enough to quickly move these stories off the front page if they get too hot. Why also flag?
- jules-jules 2y ago
  Dang has to rescue pretty much every single Israel post as they are getting mass flagged to oblivion.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- thegrim33 2y ago
  No, I flag them because, like this thread, 99% of comments are just political/social warfare and has nothing to do with technology. It's just an extension of the culture war. You can go on Reddit or Facebook or basically anywhere else on the internet to do your cultural warfare. Can we have a single place left where we don't fall into that pit?
  - dunekid 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - lp0_on_fire 2y ago
      > The GPUs running the Genocide AI This is why the submissions tend to get flagged.
      - dunekid 2y ago
        That's not true. You can see UN sites get flagged to death. Here I was just saying that HN discussion are not strictly bound to be technological. Parent was saying they would flag basically everything related to this.
  - ambrozk 2y ago
    Of course the protest is about technology -- it's about the provision of technology to governments who use that technology for war. Why wouldn't you expect the employees of these companies have a position on that? Like a lot of people here, I have family who died in the Holocaust. It is highly likely that the camps they moved through were using tech supplied by IBM. Would it have been "culture warring" for tech employees circa 1938, to publicize the human rights abuses being enabled by their companies? Because that's what the people who support these protesters think is going on here.
  - frob 2y ago
    When there's a genocide going on backed by the largest military power in the world, it should take up all the oxygen. If you want to ignore it, just press "Hide" instead of "Flag."

Ajay-p 2y ago

IMHO because of lot of HN supports social justice and protesting, and they are supportive of employees taking action against any company that is doing something that goes against their principles.

paxys 2y ago
The people who are in support of social justice and protesting will want this article on the front page. Those who flagged it aren't in that category.

belorn 2y ago

The Israel–Hamas war does not have much room for calm and intellectual discussion. Was there a specific angle or pov you are specific interested in?

paxys 2y ago
The discussion is not about the war, it's about a bunch of tech employees getting fired. It should be relevant for a large chunk of this site's user base. It certainly does not break the rules in any way to warrant mass flagging.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  "If you lock yourself CTO's office and refuse to leave, you will be fired" I fail to see what is particularly compelling about this scenario, and why it warrants discussion. Are we trying to make it a norm to lock yourself in executive offices or something?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - paxys 2y ago
    I don't find most of the submissions on this site compelling. That doesn't mean I flag them and try to have them removed. People can choose to just...not participate. > Are we trying to make it a norm to lock yourself in executive offices or something? Posting and discussing an article about something happening doesn't mean you condone the behavior it is describing. Should we just not be allowed to discuss any news over here? Or only news that fits one particular narrative?
- cooloo 2y ago
  So you lock yourself in executive room , what do you think will happen?

kortilla 2y ago

There isn’t anything intellectually interesting about this. It’s drama over a very long standing political lightning rod

belligeront 2y ago
It has been reported Israel is using AI to choose bombing targets. How is that not intellectually interesting or relevant to a forum about technology? https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
- greenyoda 2y ago
  That article already had a huge discussion when it came out: 1418 points, 1601 comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39918245 And there have already been two big discussions about the Google protests, covering the employees' arrests and their subsequent firings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40060532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40060532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40072295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40072295
  - ambrozk 2y ago
    Yes, so it's clearly quite relevant to this board.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
Phiwise_ 2y ago
Perhaps someone should spin up intellectuallyinteresting.ycombinator.com?
courseofaction 2y ago
Not only are they using novel AI-driven target selection technology, they changed the 'acceptable collateral damage' from 0 to 25 civilians per fighter for the recent genocide, without adding humans to the analysis loop. This is AI driven genocide and HN should be paying full attention.