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And that's why we end up with antivax, and anti science conspiracies. This is food for their argumentation, and with that kind of stuff, it's hard to explain t

And that's why we end up with antivax, and anti science conspiracies. This is food for their argumentation, and with that kind of stuff, it's hard to explain that science should prevail. This is sad.

basil-rash 2y ago
Plenty of such cases: https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08/how-did-sweden-sterilise-up-to-30000-people-against-their-will-in-the-cause-of-eugenics https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08/how-did-sweden-sterilise...
loceng 2y ago
Do you know of how Pfizer designed the COVID-19 shot clinical trial, and how they designed the app to collection symptom reports from the clinical reserch participants? Do you know of Maddie de Garay's story?
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
I don’t agree with this whole attitude, the idea that plebs should not question the medical experts because they are unqualified is how you get corruption, fraud and abuse. It is right to hold people accountable
cryptonector 2y ago
When government perpetrates anti-science... Our governments have done awful things in the name of science, including eugenics and forcible sterilizations.
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Eugenics and forced sterilization aren't anti-science. It is quite the opposite in fact. They have a strong basis in science, specifically genetics and psychology. If you think somebody has undesirable genes or will cause a kid to have bad upbringing then stopping them from reproducing would lower the amount of the traits you want to see eliminated. It seems perfectly pro-science to me. It is just an abuse of science. The anti science take would be to deny parents pass on genes and as such eugenics / forced sterilization wouldn't stop bad genes.
  - cryptonector 2y ago
    > It is just an abuse of science. > > Our governments have done awful things in the name of science, including eugenics and forcible sterilizations. "...in the name of science" -- it hardly matters whether it's proper science or anti-/un-scientific nonsense when the result is deeply immoral. The fact is that both science and "science" have been and continue to be used to justify horrible acts. We have to stop that.
ericmcer 2y ago
Some anti-vax people take it too far, but calling anyone who asks questions a crazy anti-vaxxer doesn't make sense. How can you simultaneously know that pharmaceutical corporations are corrupt and choose profits over health, but also think it is crazy to question the vaccines they produce. Those are two contradictory ideas, but the vast majority of people would agree that both are true. It seems like we have been manipulated.

And that's why we end up with antivax, and anti science conspiracies. This is food for their argumentation, and with that kind of stuff, it's hard to explain that science should prevail. This is sad.

basil-rash 2y ago

Plenty of such cases: https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08/how-did-sweden-sterilise-up-to-30000-people-against-their-will-in-the-cause-of-eugenics https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/08/how-did-sweden-sterilise...

loceng 2y ago

Do you know of how Pfizer designed the COVID-19 shot clinical trial, and how they designed the app to collection symptom reports from the clinical reserch participants? Do you know of Maddie de Garay's story?

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

I don’t agree with this whole attitude, the idea that plebs should not question the medical experts because they are unqualified is how you get corruption, fraud and abuse. It is right to hold people accountable

cryptonector 2y ago

When government perpetrates anti-science... Our governments have done awful things in the name of science, including eugenics and forcible sterilizations.

ImJamal 2y ago
Eugenics and forced sterilization aren't anti-science. It is quite the opposite in fact. They have a strong basis in science, specifically genetics and psychology. If you think somebody has undesirable genes or will cause a kid to have bad upbringing then stopping them from reproducing would lower the amount of the traits you want to see eliminated. It seems perfectly pro-science to me. It is just an abuse of science. The anti science take would be to deny parents pass on genes and as such eugenics / forced sterilization wouldn't stop bad genes.
- cryptonector 2y ago
  > It is just an abuse of science. > > Our governments have done awful things in the name of science, including eugenics and forcible sterilizations. "...in the name of science" -- it hardly matters whether it's proper science or anti-/un-scientific nonsense when the result is deeply immoral. The fact is that both science and "science" have been and continue to be used to justify horrible acts. We have to stop that.

ericmcer 2y ago

Some anti-vax people take it too far, but calling anyone who asks questions a crazy anti-vaxxer doesn't make sense. How can you simultaneously know that pharmaceutical corporations are corrupt and choose profits over health, but also think it is crazy to question the vaccines they produce. Those are two contradictory ideas, but the vast majority of people would agree that both are true. It seems like we have been manipulated.