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I think the issue was that the headlines omitted the fact that it was a software update changing the size of some icons in the car's UI. And instead just stated

I think the issue was that the headlines omitted the fact that it was a software update changing the size of some icons in the car's UI. And instead just stated that millions of Tesla cars were recalled, the default assumption being they were recalled to a service dealership instead of an OTA update at home. The oil lobbyists and Tesla haters absolutely don't want the phrase 'software' in any of the media headlines or HN titles relating to Tesla software recalls and vehemently argued against it. The media grants their wishes. It's hardly surprising that Tesla fans are not demanding that the word recall not be used for this car hardware issue, even they're more rational and less delusional about car recall phrasing than Tesla haters who seem to be agenda driven to create negative perception about Tesla, and the media happily accommodates them all the time.

FireBeyond 2y ago
This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How can it be a recall if it can be fixed without my car going anywhere? The media just wants to make Tesla look bad! This isn’t a recall because Tesla can update it OTA, something the dinosaurs can’t!” (Which ignores that while Tesla can update more than most other manufacturers, my car gets regular OTA updates too.) Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” That was a recall, too.
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those
  - theatrus2 2y ago
    Lots of continual updates, some release notes aggregated at third party sites like this: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/ https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      Those are Tesla updates. They were asking about non-Tesla OTA updates, for the Lincoln cars I think.
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    On my Audi? MMI updates being an easy one, who cares, but updates to the HUD, to the digital cluster.
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  This was the article headline from NYPost(yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN): "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles over warning lights" The recall over "warning lights" turned out be a font size increase in the UI on the screen. I guess it's a light because pixels glow. This was CNN's headline: "Tesla recalls nearly all 2 million of its vehicles on US roads" CNN doesn't like Tesla as well. Do you think NYPost or the CNN shouldn't have added 'software' in the headline, perhaps before the word recall? Why or why not? Not even saying it should be 'over-the-air software recall'. It can't be a space issue, NYPost found the space to add "Elon Musk" to the headline to fuel extra negativity and the CNN's headline is short.
  - klyrs 2y ago
    > yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN But we must blame the left whenever the right eats itself! Or maybe we live in a multipolar world? ....nah
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      The oil lobby pays the right wing, Musk does not. So they demonize Tesla and EVs and the left has joined them since a few years, to my disgust. I used to be a die hard liberal, I only lately realized that liberal media and many liberals don't care two hoots about climate change. I used to defend them all the time. They've been publishing hit pieces and even fake news about Tesla just because they don't like Musk. They lost the moral high ground about fake news. Those are heavily upvoted on liberal social media like HN and Reddit. I don't like what Musk has been doing lately but I do care about the environment and don't hate Tesla and SpaceX like people on here. I was going to buy an EV even at a price premium but now I don't care. I'll buy a gas guzzler like the rest. I am too old for climate change to affect me and it turns out the young ones don't care enough about it themselves. I used to be very liberal but seeing how Tesla is maligned on HN and Reddit changed me. I don't think I will vote red but I will never vote blue from now on. And then more liberals will wonder why the vote is so close come November.
      - 2y ago
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  > Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. > “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” Great and perfect example, thanks for bringing that up. I searched for that issue and every single news article I could find [1] had "missing owner's manual information" or the equivalent right in the headline. Only Ford or Lincoln haters would argue that removing that information in the headline is a fair and acceptable thing to do. Are you still going to argue that Tesla is treated the same as Lincoln by the media and on HN? Is hoping for more context in the headlines a bad and unreasonable thing? [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-missing-owners-manual-info/ https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-... https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mi... https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-million-vehicles-for-incomplete-owners-manual/ https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-mi... https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles-owner-manual/70439/ https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-trucks-and-suvs-due-to-missing-instructions-216630.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-tr... https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-recalled-over-missing-instructions/ https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-re... https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mil... https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-owners-manual-omission/ https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-...
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    > Only Ford or Lincoln haters Your mistake here is assuming that people are comprised of "haters" and others. I couldn't care less about Lincoln. I own a Navigator. My partner drives it 99% of the time. It was just the first example that came to mind. I think Tesla's are overrated for their price - the Model S has (I haven't been in one in 18 months, to be clear) luxury euro pricing for a build quality that is in many cases worse than an econobox Hyundai or Mazda. I lean on the dash in my Audi and it doesn't bow or flex or creak or make me worried that some plastic is about to break. It did in the S. My butt fell asleep after a few hours in a Tesla passenger seat. "Do not use a car wash if the vehicle will be in direct sunlight". Windshields not glued on, at all. Entire brakes missing. Different tires on all four wheels. These aren't teething issues, Tesla is more than two decades old at this point. And doubly so when your CEO gives interviews that have him saying with a straight face, "At this point, I know more about manufacturing than any person living on the planet."
root_axis 2y ago
A recall is a recall. It might be convenient for the customer that the problem can be fixed via software, but it's ultimately irrelevant with respect to the fact that a safety related issue needed to be corrected.
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- ripjaygn 2y ago
  Ultimately irrelevant things are added to headlines all the time, like all the stories about the Lincoln recall in this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40089379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40089379 See how they don't just say it's a recall and remove context like it's done with Tesla? Why are the media and some people so against including similar context for an OTA software when it comes to Tesla?
  - trust_bt_verify 2y ago
    When I do a simple search for ‘Tesla recall’ in my favorite search engine I get a bunch of results for the recent Tesla recalls. Many of the headlines call out the reasons, I see no persecution of Tesla in the way you describe. There is an easy way for Tesla to avoid all of this though, and it’s to design their vehicles better in the first place. Looks like the media cares about facts and the fact is, Tesla has had _another_ recall. Tesla is slipping and there seems to be some who are more sensitive to that being discussed than others.
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      > Looks like the media cares about facts You made me spit out my coffee. The media literally made up fake news about the Tesla strike in Sweden. This is coming from someone who argued for year up until covid that fake news was exclusive to the right wing. It sad to see liberals and liberal media slip so much

FireBeyond 2y ago

This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How can it be a recall if it can be fixed without my car going anywhere? The media just wants to make Tesla look bad! This isn’t a recall because Tesla can update it OTA, something the dinosaurs can’t!” (Which ignores that while Tesla can update more than most other manufacturers, my car gets regular OTA updates too.) Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” That was a recall, too.

iknowstuff 2y ago
What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those
- theatrus2 2y ago
  Lots of continual updates, some release notes aggregated at third party sites like this: https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/ https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    Those are Tesla updates. They were asking about non-Tesla OTA updates, for the Lincoln cars I think.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  On my Audi? MMI updates being an easy one, who cares, but updates to the HUD, to the digital cluster.
ripjaygn 2y ago
This was the article headline from NYPost(yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN): "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles over warning lights" The recall over "warning lights" turned out be a font size increase in the UI on the screen. I guess it's a light because pixels glow. This was CNN's headline: "Tesla recalls nearly all 2 million of its vehicles on US roads" CNN doesn't like Tesla as well. Do you think NYPost or the CNN shouldn't have added 'software' in the headline, perhaps before the word recall? Why or why not? Not even saying it should be 'over-the-air software recall'. It can't be a space issue, NYPost found the space to add "Elon Musk" to the headline to fuel extra negativity and the CNN's headline is short.
- klyrs 2y ago
  > yay oil lobby funding anti-EV right wing media posted on HN But we must blame the left whenever the right eats itself! Or maybe we live in a multipolar world? ....nah
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    The oil lobby pays the right wing, Musk does not. So they demonize Tesla and EVs and the left has joined them since a few years, to my disgust. I used to be a die hard liberal, I only lately realized that liberal media and many liberals don't care two hoots about climate change. I used to defend them all the time. They've been publishing hit pieces and even fake news about Tesla just because they don't like Musk. They lost the moral high ground about fake news. Those are heavily upvoted on liberal social media like HN and Reddit. I don't like what Musk has been doing lately but I do care about the environment and don't hate Tesla and SpaceX like people on here. I was going to buy an EV even at a price premium but now I don't care. I'll buy a gas guzzler like the rest. I am too old for climate change to affect me and it turns out the young ones don't care enough about it themselves. I used to be very liberal but seeing how Tesla is maligned on HN and Reddit changed me. I don't think I will vote red but I will never vote blue from now on. And then more liberals will wonder why the vote is so close come November.
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ripjaygn 2y ago
> Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. > “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” Great and perfect example, thanks for bringing that up. I searched for that issue and every single news article I could find [1] had "missing owner's manual information" or the equivalent right in the headline. Only Ford or Lincoln haters would argue that removing that information in the headline is a fair and acceptable thing to do. Are you still going to argue that Tesla is treated the same as Lincoln by the media and on HN? Is hoping for more context in the headlines a bad and unreasonable thing? [1] https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-missing-owners-manual-info/ https://www.motor1.com/news/672511/ford-recalls-trucks-suvs-... https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mi... https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-million-vehicles-for-incomplete-owners-manual/ https://www.ksstradio.com/2023/06/ford-recalls-nearly-one-mi... https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles-owner-manual/70439/ https://www.auto123.com/en/news/ford-recall-million-vehicles... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-trucks-and-suvs-due-to-missing-instructions-216630.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-recalls-1-million-tr... https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-recalled-over-missing-instructions/ https://fordauthority.com/2023/06/1-million-ford-vehicles-re... https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-million-fords-recalled-because-owners-manual-omission/UW3BGQVD4ZB5PLHWXJLIIXN6FU/ https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/recall-alert-nearly-1-mil... https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-owners-manual-omission/ https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/ford-recall-over-...
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > Only Ford or Lincoln haters Your mistake here is assuming that people are comprised of "haters" and others. I couldn't care less about Lincoln. I own a Navigator. My partner drives it 99% of the time. It was just the first example that came to mind. I think Tesla's are overrated for their price - the Model S has (I haven't been in one in 18 months, to be clear) luxury euro pricing for a build quality that is in many cases worse than an econobox Hyundai or Mazda. I lean on the dash in my Audi and it doesn't bow or flex or creak or make me worried that some plastic is about to break. It did in the S. My butt fell asleep after a few hours in a Tesla passenger seat. "Do not use a car wash if the vehicle will be in direct sunlight". Windshields not glued on, at all. Entire brakes missing. Different tires on all four wheels. These aren't teething issues, Tesla is more than two decades old at this point. And doubly so when your CEO gives interviews that have him saying with a straight face, "At this point, I know more about manufacturing than any person living on the planet."

root_axis 2y ago

A recall is a recall. It might be convenient for the customer that the problem can be fixed via software, but it's ultimately irrelevant with respect to the fact that a safety related issue needed to be corrected.

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ripjaygn 2y ago
Ultimately irrelevant things are added to headlines all the time, like all the stories about the Lincoln recall in this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40089379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40089379 See how they don't just say it's a recall and remove context like it's done with Tesla? Why are the media and some people so against including similar context for an OTA software when it comes to Tesla?
- trust_bt_verify 2y ago
  When I do a simple search for ‘Tesla recall’ in my favorite search engine I get a bunch of results for the recent Tesla recalls. Many of the headlines call out the reasons, I see no persecution of Tesla in the way you describe. There is an easy way for Tesla to avoid all of this though, and it’s to design their vehicles better in the first place. Looks like the media cares about facts and the fact is, Tesla has had _another_ recall. Tesla is slipping and there seems to be some who are more sensitive to that being discussed than others.
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    > Looks like the media cares about facts You made me spit out my coffee. The media literally made up fake news about the Tesla strike in Sweden. This is coming from someone who argued for year up until covid that fake news was exclusive to the right wing. It sad to see liberals and liberal media slip so much