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"Welcome to DuckDuckGo AI Chat! This chat session is powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5 Turbo. All of your chats here are private, and are never stored by DuckDuckGo o

by dougb5 2y ago

"Welcome to DuckDuckGo AI Chat! This chat session is powered by OpenAI’s GPT-3.5 Turbo. All of your chats here are private, and are never stored by DuckDuckGo or used to train AI models." Wait, they are sent to OpenAI but they are also "private"? What am I missing here?

mephitix 2y ago
I guess they mean that the chat conversations are not persisted in a DDG database. A bit misleading IMO
- divbzero 2y ago
  The messaging could be more clear, but is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? Bing doesn’t know who made the search but could log the query itself.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? No, it is the exact same business model but applied to AI chat instead of search.
    - tartrate 2y ago
      In other words, a lot of fuss about nothing.
      - dougb5 2y ago
        Well it's a big deal to me. OpenAI have not conducted themselves in a way that makes me want to share my search intents with them, and I don't care if they or DDG tell me that what I tell them "won't be used to train AI models".
ziddoap 2y ago
>Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). >In addition, we have agreements in place with all model providers that further limit how they can use data from these anonymous requests that includes not using Prompts and Outputs to develop or improve their models as well as deleting all information received within 30 days. That is what they mean by private.
- dudus 2y ago
  Everyone has the same agreement. Duck duck go is grasping at straws here because their business model is completely crushed if they don't have a privacy upper hand or a competitive product. They will be forced into a pivot they can't succeed in.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >Everyone has the same agreement. The same as the one I pasted? No, ChatGPT & others do not have the same agreement. >They will be forced into a pivot they can't succeed in. They seem like they've been doing alright for the past 15 years. I'm sure they can figure it out.
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by dougb5 2y ago

mephitix 2y ago

I guess they mean that the chat conversations are not persisted in a DDG database. A bit misleading IMO

divbzero 2y ago
The messaging could be more clear, but is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? Bing doesn’t know who made the search but could log the query itself.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >is this substantively different from how search queries are handled when DuckDuckGo forwards them to Bing? No, it is the exact same business model but applied to AI chat instead of search.
  - tartrate 2y ago
    In other words, a lot of fuss about nothing.
    - dougb5 2y ago
      Well it's a big deal to me. OpenAI have not conducted themselves in a way that makes me want to share my search intents with them, and I don't care if they or DDG tell me that what I tell them "won't be used to train AI models".

ziddoap 2y ago

>Additionally, all metadata that contains personal information (for example, your IP address) is obfuscated from underlying model providers (for example, OpenAI, Anthropic). >In addition, we have agreements in place with all model providers that further limit how they can use data from these anonymous requests that includes not using Prompts and Outputs to develop or improve their models as well as deleting all information received within 30 days. That is what they mean by private.

dudus 2y ago
Everyone has the same agreement. Duck duck go is grasping at straws here because their business model is completely crushed if they don't have a privacy upper hand or a competitive product. They will be forced into a pivot they can't succeed in.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >Everyone has the same agreement. The same as the one I pasted? No, ChatGPT & others do not have the same agreement. >They will be forced into a pivot they can't succeed in. They seem like they've been doing alright for the past 15 years. I'm sure they can figure it out.

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