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I think it’s a combination of: 1) China has demonstrated plenty of times that it is not to be messed with, while EU, if anything (especially with GDPR) has dem

I think it’s a combination of: 1) China has demonstrated plenty of times that it is not to be messed with, while EU, if anything (especially with GDPR) has demonstrated that you can keep breaking the rules and even a history of obvious bad faith is not a problem. 2) China has a successful domestic smartphone/tech industry that can (and does) compete with Apple. The EU doesn’t. It’s a much easier decision for China to kick out Apple than for the EU to do so. 3) I believe Apple also depends on China for manufacturing, so pissing them off could go beyond a national ban on sales and even affect production of international devices.

inamorty 3y ago
The EU is taking a more aggressive tack in recent years: * Amazon was fined $908 million in 2022. * Google was fined $113 million in the same year. * Instagram, owned by Meta was fined $506 million. Each of these fines would be drastically increased with further non-compliance
- rasz 3y ago
  Intel was fines over $1 Billion by EU in 2009 for paying off manufacturers/retailers to exclude AMD, hasnt paid a single dollar yet.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > Meta > Each of these fines would be drastically increased with further non-compliance Meta has a history of non-compliance, bad faith and obvious incentive to breach EU regulations given they are in direct opposition to their business model. It has been in breach of the GDPR since it went into effect in 2018 (after a 2-year grace period designed to give businesses time to get into compliance) and is in breach of it to this day. Is it even possible to be more non-compliant than that? At this point Meta has made so much profit from breaching the GDPR that even actually being hit with the max fine would still not offset what they earned breaching the regulation over the last 6 years since the max fine only considers revenue over the last year. The EU has repeatedly demonstrated it is incapable or unwilling to stand up to these companies and the companies know it, that's why Meta is still around doing business as usual, and Apple is messing around with malicious compliance and will keep doing so for the foreseeable future. That's why Microsoft is now back at anticompetitive shenanigans despite getting burnt previously - they (correctly) determined that whatever EU enforcement capability burned them before no longer exists.
moomin 3y ago
There is also the fundamental fact that the EU is a creature of law, while China is a monolithic governmental entity. Malicious compliance works pretty well when the courts that judge you care about the letter of the law.
wdb 3y ago
EU could just forbid the use ASML machines by any entities to serve Apple orders

inamorty 3y ago

The EU is taking a more aggressive tack in recent years: * Amazon was fined $908 million in 2022. * Google was fined $113 million in the same year. * Instagram, owned by Meta was fined $506 million. Each of these fines would be drastically increased with further non-compliance

rasz 3y ago
Intel was fines over $1 Billion by EU in 2009 for paying off manufacturers/retailers to exclude AMD, hasnt paid a single dollar yet.
Nextgrid 3y ago
> Meta > Each of these fines would be drastically increased with further non-compliance Meta has a history of non-compliance, bad faith and obvious incentive to breach EU regulations given they are in direct opposition to their business model. It has been in breach of the GDPR since it went into effect in 2018 (after a 2-year grace period designed to give businesses time to get into compliance) and is in breach of it to this day. Is it even possible to be more non-compliant than that? At this point Meta has made so much profit from breaching the GDPR that even actually being hit with the max fine would still not offset what they earned breaching the regulation over the last 6 years since the max fine only considers revenue over the last year. The EU has repeatedly demonstrated it is incapable or unwilling to stand up to these companies and the companies know it, that's why Meta is still around doing business as usual, and Apple is messing around with malicious compliance and will keep doing so for the foreseeable future. That's why Microsoft is now back at anticompetitive shenanigans despite getting burnt previously - they (correctly) determined that whatever EU enforcement capability burned them before no longer exists.

moomin 3y ago

There is also the fundamental fact that the EU is a creature of law, while China is a monolithic governmental entity. Malicious compliance works pretty well when the courts that judge you care about the letter of the law.

wdb 3y ago

EU could just forbid the use ASML machines by any entities to serve Apple orders