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They rarely make the tech news. There's plenty reporting on recalls in traditional media[1][2][3][4][etc]. I think a lot of Tesla fans have a persecution comple

They rarely make the tech news. There's plenty reporting on recalls in traditional media[1][2][3][4][etc]. I think a lot of Tesla fans have a persecution complex when it comes to reporting on Tesla. [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-toyota-canada-recalls-28000-cars-over-transmission-flaw-that-raises/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-toyota-cana... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/international-business/us-business/article-ford-recalling-more-than-450000-vehicles-in-us-over-loss-of-drive/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/international-busin... [3] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-toyota-canada-repeats-recall-warning-for-7300-cars-as-part-of-decade/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-toyota-cana... [4] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ford-recalls-93000-explorer-suvs-in-canada-due-to-potential-hazard/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ford-recalls-...

ripjaygn 3y ago
You're saying tech news and the articles that make HN's front page make a lot of tech people wrongly assume that Tesla is way worse with recalls than other car companies? Like we are seeing all over the comments here. Looks like "a lot of Tesla fans" are right then. Now add the fact that headlines and HN post titles about Tesla software recalls omitting that it's a software update and just stating that millions of Tesla cars are being recalled. A neutral observer would agree but not Tesla haters.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  For clarity, the specific recall talked about in this article is not a software update. You can’t software update a stuck accelerator pedal.
- croes 3y ago
  How many recalls of the other manufacturers are software updates just without the possibility, of OTA? How many different models do the other manufacturers have, how many has Tesla? And don't forget that Musk acts like Tesla is special and doesn't have the same problems as the old lame boring companies.
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    Tf are you arguing? The OTA is the crucial point because as a customer you just don’t care that you wake up one day and your tesla starts displaying PARK instead of an icon after a „recall”. With other vehicles you gotta schedule service and leave it there.
    - croes 3y ago
      My point is that other manufacturers' recalls could also be simple software updates but without OTA you need to visit a garage. So just because Tesla could fix most of their problem oer OTA doesn't mean other manufacturers have more severe malfunctions, just a more complicated way of fixing it. And OTA is nice until someone finds an unfixable bug and changes your brake setting per malicious OTA. As a customer, I do care if someone can change important systems in my car without me noticing or being able to prevent it.
      - ripjaygn 3y ago
        If it's a software update that only a service center can fix then few folks are going to take their time out to do that expeditiously, like with hardware recalls. Assuming their address is current and they even know about it. Whereas an OTA update is either automatically done or in their face the next time they drive.
        croes 3y ago
        But the method of fixing doesn't say anything about the severity. If the breaks on a Tesla don't work but it's fixable per OTA it's still worse than a less severe bug that needs to be fixed in a garage.
        ripjaygn 3y ago
        The cost to the company for a recall is also a thing so accurate headlines matter. Having to spend money paying service reps to do software and hardware changes at a service center is way more expensive than pushing out an OTA software. Which is why a good chunk of the media won't mention it when it comes to Tesla.
trust_bt_verify 3y ago
At least the fanboys seem ok with using the word ‘recall’ this time!
- ripjaygn 3y ago
  I think the issue was that the headlines omitted the fact that it was a software update changing the size of some icons in the car's UI. And instead just stated that millions of Tesla cars were recalled, the default assumption being they were recalled to a service dealership instead of an OTA update at home. The oil lobbyists and Tesla haters absolutely don't want the phrase 'software' in any of the media headlines or HN titles relating to Tesla software recalls and vehemently argued against it. The media grants their wishes. It's hardly surprising that Tesla fans are not demanding that the word recall not be used for this car hardware issue, even they're more rational and less delusional about car recall phrasing than Tesla haters who seem to be agenda driven to create negative perception about Tesla, and the media happily accommodates them all the time.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How can it be a recall if it can be fixed without my car going anywhere? The media just wants to make Tesla look bad! This isn’t a recall because Tesla can update it OTA, something the dinosaurs can’t!” (Which ignores that while Tesla can update more than most other manufacturers, my car gets regular OTA updates too.) Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” That was a recall, too.
    - iknowstuff 3y ago
      What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those
barfingclouds 3y ago
Disagree. Sounds like you acknowledge other recalls get reported, but those other recalls aren’t going to hit hacker news, Reddit, and other more mainstream places. Like I bet this will be on most social media platforms.

ripjaygn 3y ago

You're saying tech news and the articles that make HN's front page make a lot of tech people wrongly assume that Tesla is way worse with recalls than other car companies? Like we are seeing all over the comments here. Looks like "a lot of Tesla fans" are right then. Now add the fact that headlines and HN post titles about Tesla software recalls omitting that it's a software update and just stating that millions of Tesla cars are being recalled. A neutral observer would agree but not Tesla haters.

mynameisvlad 3y ago
For clarity, the specific recall talked about in this article is not a software update. You can’t software update a stuck accelerator pedal.
croes 3y ago
How many recalls of the other manufacturers are software updates just without the possibility, of OTA? How many different models do the other manufacturers have, how many has Tesla? And don't forget that Musk acts like Tesla is special and doesn't have the same problems as the old lame boring companies.
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  Tf are you arguing? The OTA is the crucial point because as a customer you just don’t care that you wake up one day and your tesla starts displaying PARK instead of an icon after a „recall”. With other vehicles you gotta schedule service and leave it there.
  - croes 3y ago
    My point is that other manufacturers' recalls could also be simple software updates but without OTA you need to visit a garage. So just because Tesla could fix most of their problem oer OTA doesn't mean other manufacturers have more severe malfunctions, just a more complicated way of fixing it. And OTA is nice until someone finds an unfixable bug and changes your brake setting per malicious OTA. As a customer, I do care if someone can change important systems in my car without me noticing or being able to prevent it.
    - ripjaygn 3y ago
      If it's a software update that only a service center can fix then few folks are going to take their time out to do that expeditiously, like with hardware recalls. Assuming their address is current and they even know about it. Whereas an OTA update is either automatically done or in their face the next time they drive.
      - croes 3y ago
        But the method of fixing doesn't say anything about the severity. If the breaks on a Tesla don't work but it's fixable per OTA it's still worse than a less severe bug that needs to be fixed in a garage.
        ripjaygn 3y ago
        The cost to the company for a recall is also a thing so accurate headlines matter. Having to spend money paying service reps to do software and hardware changes at a service center is way more expensive than pushing out an OTA software. Which is why a good chunk of the media won't mention it when it comes to Tesla.

trust_bt_verify 3y ago

At least the fanboys seem ok with using the word ‘recall’ this time!

ripjaygn 3y ago
I think the issue was that the headlines omitted the fact that it was a software update changing the size of some icons in the car's UI. And instead just stated that millions of Tesla cars were recalled, the default assumption being they were recalled to a service dealership instead of an OTA update at home. The oil lobbyists and Tesla haters absolutely don't want the phrase 'software' in any of the media headlines or HN titles relating to Tesla software recalls and vehemently argued against it. The media grants their wishes. It's hardly surprising that Tesla fans are not demanding that the word recall not be used for this car hardware issue, even they're more rational and less delusional about car recall phrasing than Tesla haters who seem to be agenda driven to create negative perception about Tesla, and the media happily accommodates them all the time.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  This spin on things is hilarious. It wasn’t the “Tesla haters” screaming “don’t mention our precious software! It’s just a recall!”, it was the Tesla fans. “How can it be a recall if it can be fixed without my car going anywhere? The media just wants to make Tesla look bad! This isn’t a recall because Tesla can update it OTA, something the dinosaurs can’t!” (Which ignores that while Tesla can update more than most other manufacturers, my car gets regular OTA updates too.) Meanwhile Lincoln sent me a “fix” for a recall that involved neither software or my car moving an inch. “We identified an issue in your vehicles user guide that could lead to improper seat operation. Please place this piece of paper between pages 168 and 169 of your guide.” That was a recall, too.
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    What kind of updates have you received? New maps? Or do you have to pay for those

barfingclouds 3y ago

Disagree. Sounds like you acknowledge other recalls get reported, but those other recalls aren’t going to hit hacker news, Reddit, and other more mainstream places. Like I bet this will be on most social media platforms.