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Disproportionately? Does Tesla ship as many vehicles as Toyota? You have made me curious about the numbers you are using.

ripjaygn 2y ago
Tesla doesn't even register in the top 10 most recalls per car company in 2023. https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png What data are you using? How many of Ford Motor's 58 recalls in 2023 made HN's front page? Meanwhile Tesla updates the car UIs icon sizes via a software update, and there are headlines all over the media including HN stating that Tesla recalled millions of cars, omitting that it was a software update. That makes people like the GP think Teslas have disproportionately worse issues, which appears to be the objective.
- mcculley 2y ago
  > What data are you using? I’m not the one claiming anything about proportions. I didn’t claim to have any data. How did you arrive at your proportions?
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    I had linked it in the very comment you replied to...please reread.
    - mcculley 2y ago
      I see only a link to an infographic about recalls in 2023.
- cycomanic 2y ago
  How is recalls per company a valid metric? Should it be at least normalised by number of models (e.g. if we assume design flaws)? By that metric Fords 58 are normalised by 40 odd models (only counting current) while Teslas 20 are normalised by 6 models (counting any car/truck build).
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Thorrez 2y ago
Why would number of recalls be proportional to number of vehicles shipped? I think number of recalls would be more proportional to number of car models available. And number of vehicles recalled would be proportional to number of vehicles shipped. In this case 3,878 vehicles were recalled.
- mcculley 2y ago
  To me, “disproportionately bad with quality issues” would be about total units shipped.
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    Total units shipped since the inception of the company? I think the NHTSA was only formed in 1970.
    - mcculley 2y ago
      Which metric are you using when you use the word disproportionately?
      - ripjaygn 2y ago
        Linked it in the other comment that you had replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651
        mcculley 2y ago
        That says 2023. I don’t see Toyota mentioned in there at all. Maybe I’m missing something.
        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Toyota had a recall just a couple of days ago. That story wasn't even submitted to HN, while the Cybertruck already made the front page a couple of times and will probably continue to do so. That's a perfect example of disproportionate coverage leading to several commenters on this story automatically assuming Tesla is worse than other manufacturers. And somehow you didn't ask them for data saying you were curious but immediately jumped on my comment. That's typically not the behavior of someone that's starting with no data and neutral.

ripjaygn 2y ago

Tesla doesn't even register in the top 10 most recalls per car company in 2023. https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png What data are you using? How many of Ford Motor's 58 recalls in 2023 made HN's front page? Meanwhile Tesla updates the car UIs icon sizes via a software update, and there are headlines all over the media including HN stating that Tesla recalled millions of cars, omitting that it was a software update. That makes people like the GP think Teslas have disproportionately worse issues, which appears to be the objective.

mcculley 2y ago
> What data are you using? I’m not the one claiming anything about proportions. I didn’t claim to have any data. How did you arrive at your proportions?
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  I had linked it in the very comment you replied to...please reread.
  - mcculley 2y ago
    I see only a link to an infographic about recalls in 2023.
cycomanic 2y ago
How is recalls per company a valid metric? Should it be at least normalised by number of models (e.g. if we assume design flaws)? By that metric Fords 58 are normalised by 40 odd models (only counting current) while Teslas 20 are normalised by 6 models (counting any car/truck build).
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Thorrez 2y ago

Why would number of recalls be proportional to number of vehicles shipped? I think number of recalls would be more proportional to number of car models available. And number of vehicles recalled would be proportional to number of vehicles shipped. In this case 3,878 vehicles were recalled.

mcculley 2y ago
To me, “disproportionately bad with quality issues” would be about total units shipped.
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  Total units shipped since the inception of the company? I think the NHTSA was only formed in 1970.
  - mcculley 2y ago
    Which metric are you using when you use the word disproportionately?
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      Linked it in the other comment that you had replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651
      - mcculley 2y ago
        That says 2023. I don’t see Toyota mentioned in there at all. Maybe I’m missing something.
        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Toyota had a recall just a couple of days ago. That story wasn't even submitted to HN, while the Cybertruck already made the front page a couple of times and will probably continue to do so. That's a perfect example of disproportionate coverage leading to several commenters on this story automatically assuming Tesla is worse than other manufacturers. And somehow you didn't ask them for data saying you were curious but immediately jumped on my comment. That's typically not the behavior of someone that's starting with no data and neutral.