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It feels like web community’s reponse to Elon Inc businesses, including Tesla and SpaceX, is frequently a double standard. By that I mean that Tesla gets a hall

It feels like web community’s reponse to Elon Inc businesses, including Tesla and SpaceX, is frequently a double standard. By that I mean that Tesla gets a hall pass on crucial QC detail work because they’re iterating or ironing out the detail as if it’s a web app. Meanwhile I’m not so sure the same leniency applies to Chevy or Toyota or whatever. I don’t deny that iteration is a crucial process. Also I’m not advocating for a hall pass for big auto. I just think this is a really big oversight and mistake. When you’re dealing with software that doesn’t directly impact lives, go ahead: break stuff. But when we’re talking about big ass trucks on roads, there should be a harsh response to a recall like this.

brandonagr2 2y ago
What hall pass? It's the opposite, the media blows a minor issue at Tesla out of proportion, while there are no national headlines about Fords or Jeeps getting recalled for bursting into flames https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most-recalls-2023 https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most...
- superultra 2y ago
  Not sure that's true. I have a Chevy Bolt and when those were exploding (lol), it was all over the news. So much so that there are still parking garages that won't let you park a Bolt in the garage.
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  We heard a lot about Toyota bz4x lug nuts and that recall was smaller than this cybertruck recall.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
    How long did it take Toyota to troubleshoot the issue, fix it and restart the problem? How does that compare?
gnfargbl 2y ago
It's just the halo/horns effect. If you think (Tesla|SpaceX) is an innovative company doing some great envelope-pushing stuff then you probably empathise with their engineers more than usual and you're willing to give them a pass. If you think Elon is a (bigoted man-child|burgeoning danger to western democracy) then you probably think negatively about his companies and you're more likely to do the opposite. At the risk of sounding trite, it's incredibly difficult to form a balanced opinion on any situation because the little lizard brain inside always wants to steer you one way or another.
- robin_reala 2y ago
  The best bit is that both is true, as Tesla / SpaceX aren’t the same thing as Elon.
maxerickson 2y ago
There's not any universal treatment. There does seem to be a borderline cult of personality around the guy, composed of people that more or less seem motivated to come up with a reason to excuse anything. But that isn't that big a group of people, they are just loud. There's also plenty of people that are loud because they don't like his politics/attitude.
_ea1k 2y ago
That's been a problem in the auto industry in general, not just with Musk. Honda's shipped a whole generation of Accord with a bad transmission. Civic clear coat failures were horrible for a while. Nissan has had huge issues with CVTs. Chevy or Ford would be treated much worse for similar situations. There are patterns, and real disconnects between the reputational damage that is done and underlying vehicle reliability.

brandonagr2 2y ago

What hall pass? It's the opposite, the media blows a minor issue at Tesla out of proportion, while there are no national headlines about Fords or Jeeps getting recalled for bursting into flames https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most-recalls-2023 https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most...

superultra 2y ago
Not sure that's true. I have a Chevy Bolt and when those were exploding (lol), it was all over the news. So much so that there are still parking garages that won't let you park a Bolt in the garage.
rootusrootus 2y ago
We heard a lot about Toyota bz4x lug nuts and that recall was smaller than this cybertruck recall.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2y ago
  How long did it take Toyota to troubleshoot the issue, fix it and restart the problem? How does that compare?

gnfargbl 2y ago

It's just the halo/horns effect. If you think (Tesla|SpaceX) is an innovative company doing some great envelope-pushing stuff then you probably empathise with their engineers more than usual and you're willing to give them a pass. If you think Elon is a (bigoted man-child|burgeoning danger to western democracy) then you probably think negatively about his companies and you're more likely to do the opposite. At the risk of sounding trite, it's incredibly difficult to form a balanced opinion on any situation because the little lizard brain inside always wants to steer you one way or another.

robin_reala 2y ago
The best bit is that both is true, as Tesla / SpaceX aren’t the same thing as Elon.

maxerickson 2y ago

There's not any universal treatment. There does seem to be a borderline cult of personality around the guy, composed of people that more or less seem motivated to come up with a reason to excuse anything. But that isn't that big a group of people, they are just loud. There's also plenty of people that are loud because they don't like his politics/attitude.

_ea1k 2y ago

That's been a problem in the auto industry in general, not just with Musk. Honda's shipped a whole generation of Accord with a bad transmission. Civic clear coat failures were horrible for a while. Nissan has had huge issues with CVTs. Chevy or Ford would be treated much worse for similar situations. There are patterns, and real disconnects between the reputational damage that is done and underlying vehicle reliability.