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Toyota's wheels have been literally falling off their cars. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recall/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/0

Toyota's wheels have been literally falling off their cars. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recall/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recal... What is their reputation on reliability on here? How many decades have they been making cars compared and how mature is their manufacturing process? You just don't hear about other carmakers' recalls on here, so everyone makes those assumptions you just did, that Tesla is disproportionately bad with quality issues..

mcculley 2y ago
Disproportionately? Does Tesla ship as many vehicles as Toyota? You have made me curious about the numbers you are using.
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  Tesla doesn't even register in the top 10 most recalls per car company in 2023. https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png What data are you using? How many of Ford Motor's 58 recalls in 2023 made HN's front page? Meanwhile Tesla updates the car UIs icon sizes via a software update, and there are headlines all over the media including HN stating that Tesla recalled millions of cars, omitting that it was a software update. That makes people like the GP think Teslas have disproportionately worse issues, which appears to be the objective.
  - mcculley 2y ago
    > What data are you using? I’m not the one claiming anything about proportions. I didn’t claim to have any data. How did you arrive at your proportions?
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      I had linked it in the very comment you replied to...please reread.
      - mcculley 2y ago
        I see only a link to an infographic about recalls in 2023.
  - cycomanic 2y ago
    How is recalls per company a valid metric? Should it be at least normalised by number of models (e.g. if we assume design flaws)? By that metric Fords 58 are normalised by 40 odd models (only counting current) while Teslas 20 are normalised by 6 models (counting any car/truck build).
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- Thorrez 2y ago
  Why would number of recalls be proportional to number of vehicles shipped? I think number of recalls would be more proportional to number of car models available. And number of vehicles recalled would be proportional to number of vehicles shipped. In this case 3,878 vehicles were recalled.
  - mcculley 2y ago
    To me, “disproportionately bad with quality issues” would be about total units shipped.
    - ripjaygn 2y ago
      Total units shipped since the inception of the company? I think the NHTSA was only formed in 1970.
      - mcculley 2y ago
        Which metric are you using when you use the word disproportionately?
        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Linked it in the other comment that you had replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651
        mcculley 2y ago
        That says 2023. I don’t see Toyota mentioned in there at all. Maybe I’m missing something.
        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Toyota had a recall just a couple of days ago. That story wasn't even submitted to HN, while the Cybertruck already made the front page a couple of times and will probably continue to do so. That's a perfect example of disproportionate coverage leading to several commenters on this story automatically assuming Tesla is worse than other manufacturers. And somehow you didn't ask them for data saying you were curious but immediately jumped on my comment. That's typically not the behavior of someone that's starting with no data and neutral.
phatfish 2y ago
At least the wheels falling off slow the car down.
- ripjaygn 2y ago
  At least you can steer the car with unintentional acceleration, unlike with wheels falling off.
  - toast0 2y ago
    You can steer as long as you've got three wheels. Not as well as with four of course. With a modern brake system, you should have some braking power too. I know someone who lost a wheel on an 1965 truck with a single chamber brake cylinder, so there was no pressure in the system as brake parts fell off with the wheel.
  - bingbingbing777 2y ago
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    - ripjaygn 2y ago
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        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Please don't make unfounded assertions.
      - dang 2y ago
        Could you please stop posting flamewar comments and stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? We have to ban accounts that do those things. They're not what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

mcculley 2y ago

Disproportionately? Does Tesla ship as many vehicles as Toyota? You have made me curious about the numbers you are using.

ripjaygn 2y ago
Tesla doesn't even register in the top 10 most recalls per car company in 2023. https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png What data are you using? How many of Ford Motor's 58 recalls in 2023 made HN's front page? Meanwhile Tesla updates the car UIs icon sizes via a software update, and there are headlines all over the media including HN stating that Tesla recalled millions of cars, omitting that it was a software update. That makes people like the GP think Teslas have disproportionately worse issues, which appears to be the objective.
- mcculley 2y ago
  > What data are you using? I’m not the one claiming anything about proportions. I didn’t claim to have any data. How did you arrive at your proportions?
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    I had linked it in the very comment you replied to...please reread.
    - mcculley 2y ago
      I see only a link to an infographic about recalls in 2023.
- cycomanic 2y ago
  How is recalls per company a valid metric? Should it be at least normalised by number of models (e.g. if we assume design flaws)? By that metric Fords 58 are normalised by 40 odd models (only counting current) while Teslas 20 are normalised by 6 models (counting any car/truck build).
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Thorrez 2y ago
Why would number of recalls be proportional to number of vehicles shipped? I think number of recalls would be more proportional to number of car models available. And number of vehicles recalled would be proportional to number of vehicles shipped. In this case 3,878 vehicles were recalled.
- mcculley 2y ago
  To me, “disproportionately bad with quality issues” would be about total units shipped.
  - ripjaygn 2y ago
    Total units shipped since the inception of the company? I think the NHTSA was only formed in 1970.
    - mcculley 2y ago
      Which metric are you using when you use the word disproportionately?
      - ripjaygn 2y ago
        Linked it in the other comment that you had replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651
        mcculley 2y ago
        That says 2023. I don’t see Toyota mentioned in there at all. Maybe I’m missing something.
        ripjaygn 2y ago
        Toyota had a recall just a couple of days ago. That story wasn't even submitted to HN, while the Cybertruck already made the front page a couple of times and will probably continue to do so. That's a perfect example of disproportionate coverage leading to several commenters on this story automatically assuming Tesla is worse than other manufacturers. And somehow you didn't ask them for data saying you were curious but immediately jumped on my comment. That's typically not the behavior of someone that's starting with no data and neutral.

phatfish 2y ago

At least the wheels falling off slow the car down.

ripjaygn 2y ago
At least you can steer the car with unintentional acceleration, unlike with wheels falling off.
- toast0 2y ago
  You can steer as long as you've got three wheels. Not as well as with four of course. With a modern brake system, you should have some braking power too. I know someone who lost a wheel on an 1965 truck with a single chamber brake cylinder, so there was no pressure in the system as brake parts fell off with the wheel.
- bingbingbing777 2y ago
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  - ripjaygn 2y ago
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      - ripjaygn 2y ago
        Please don't make unfounded assertions.
    - dang 2y ago
      Could you please stop posting flamewar comments and stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? We have to ban accounts that do those things. They're not what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.