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> It is, when that very law itself is unethical. Great, so Apple should pull out of the US due to the TikTok ban. > If so, then you should stand with companie

> It is, when that very law itself is unethical. Great, so Apple should pull out of the US due to the TikTok ban. > If so, then you should stand with companies that try to promote those rights, rather than those who help remove those rights at the expense of turning a profit. Which mobile phone manufacturer am I going to do that by using. Samsung might not sell phones in China, but they've got the exploding batteries, photoshopped camera images, throttling of third party apps. Huawei and Xiaomi _are_ chinese, Motorola have consistently been in support of oppressive regimes, Google are in the midst of bad press for their handling of the protest this week. My bank and workplace all but require a modern iOS or Android device to participate, and this is not a hill I'm going to die on against multiple bilino dollar companies.

mattmaroon 3y ago
Don’t worry, the big corporations are supposed to fall on their sword, not you.
- maccard 3y ago
  That's not the point. There are no good options other than eschewing participation, and the consequences of that are incredibly broad.
  - mattmaroon 3y ago
    Right. The people who think Apple should take a stand against the Chinese government simply aren't thinking deeply about the topic. It's just emotions. Freedom of speech good, big corporation bad. If you think any deeper than that at all, it falls apart. There's no good option for you, there's no good option for Apple. You're supposed to what, not participate in the modern economy because Chinese citizens haven't had freedom of speech for 70 years? Apple's supposed to what, disrupt the manufacturing of the world's most profitable product because China added 2 apps to the list of a zillion they've banned? This is a problem for governement, not corporations. The US and our democratic allies could exert slow, steady pressure on China, and in fact, that's exactly what we've been doing. It's building. We're re-shoring/near shoring at an increasing rate. Politicians in both parties in the US are now pro-tarriffs, which prior to 2016 both were against them.
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mattmaroon 3y ago

Don’t worry, the big corporations are supposed to fall on their sword, not you.

maccard 3y ago
That's not the point. There are no good options other than eschewing participation, and the consequences of that are incredibly broad.
- mattmaroon 3y ago
  Right. The people who think Apple should take a stand against the Chinese government simply aren't thinking deeply about the topic. It's just emotions. Freedom of speech good, big corporation bad. If you think any deeper than that at all, it falls apart. There's no good option for you, there's no good option for Apple. You're supposed to what, not participate in the modern economy because Chinese citizens haven't had freedom of speech for 70 years? Apple's supposed to what, disrupt the manufacturing of the world's most profitable product because China added 2 apps to the list of a zillion they've banned? This is a problem for governement, not corporations. The US and our democratic allies could exert slow, steady pressure on China, and in fact, that's exactly what we've been doing. It's building. We're re-shoring/near shoring at an increasing rate. Politicians in both parties in the US are now pro-tarriffs, which prior to 2016 both were against them.
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