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> you didn't even look at the I did, both of the links, you're just again "toxically" shifting your ignorance unto me and replacing substantive conversation wi

by eviks 3y ago

> you didn't even look at the I did, both of the links, you're just again "toxically" shifting your ignorance unto me and replacing substantive conversation with personal attacks > they do have the choice to use uio as numbers. No they dont, both pics start with 789 as the top, which is unergonomic (even for "pure" numpad emulation that requires shifting all the /*-+ signs to unfamiliar locations), that's underutilizing your most ergonomic finger/key. And I've specifically mentioned "uio as 123", so you're just openly disingenious now claiming any uio nubers are fine > And yet you thought the top row of a PC numpad was 123... That's your fantasy again, of course I knew it's 789 on an unmodded PC numpad, I was typing on a keyboard with a numpad! But I'm also not as limited in my perspecive as to think that whatever exists is the best thing ever and perfectly reflects the inner desires of the people, so I have a different remap, though that's a minor thing you're trying to blow out of proprtion because you can't address the substance of the other claims

vel0city 3y ago
> they do have the choice to use uio as numbers > No they dont They do. Not 123, but "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". I say "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". You say they don't. I look at the photo, and they have uio as 4, 5 6. I guess those aren't numbers to you, only 1, 2, 3 qualify as numbers. This is why I say your responses are toxic. You're literally telling me here they're not being used as numbers ("no they don't"), when they are being used as numbers, just not the specific numbers you're wanting here. The keys being shifted one row up from your idea to include the zero and period in the number pad is pretty much an immaterial difference to me here. This is why I say "I used pretty dang similar keyboard layouts", note "pretty dang similar" not "entirely, exactly, 100% as you suggested". Ergonomics are often subjective and individual (not everyone's hands are the same!), but you're acting like what you consider ergonomic is just completely factual and unyielding and apply globally. The reasons why I didn't care for the numpad mixed in the keyboard's alpha keys wouldn't change if you shifted the rows around. All I've really been saying is I personally don't care for having numpads mixed in the alpha keys, and you're telling me those keyboards similar to your idea don't exist and berating me for assuming I'm too dumb to know how keyboard remapping works. This is why I say your responses are toxic. I'm really done here though, I don't think you'll ever accept there are keyboards that have uio as numbers or that other people have their own experiences with what is ergonomic.

by eviks 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

> they do have the choice to use uio as numbers > No they dont They do. Not 123, but "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". I say "they do have the choice to use uio as numbers". You say they don't. I look at the photo, and they have uio as 4, 5 6. I guess those aren't numbers to you, only 1, 2, 3 qualify as numbers. This is why I say your responses are toxic. You're literally telling me here they're not being used as numbers ("no they don't"), when they are being used as numbers, just not the specific numbers you're wanting here. The keys being shifted one row up from your idea to include the zero and period in the number pad is pretty much an immaterial difference to me here. This is why I say "I used pretty dang similar keyboard layouts", note "pretty dang similar" not "entirely, exactly, 100% as you suggested". Ergonomics are often subjective and individual (not everyone's hands are the same!), but you're acting like what you consider ergonomic is just completely factual and unyielding and apply globally. The reasons why I didn't care for the numpad mixed in the keyboard's alpha keys wouldn't change if you shifted the rows around. All I've really been saying is I personally don't care for having numpads mixed in the alpha keys, and you're telling me those keyboards similar to your idea don't exist and berating me for assuming I'm too dumb to know how keyboard remapping works. This is why I say your responses are toxic. I'm really done here though, I don't think you'll ever accept there are keyboards that have uio as numbers or that other people have their own experiences with what is ergonomic.