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Are you claiming that slavery had nothing to do with it? > The revolution began in October 1835, after a decade of political and cultural clashes between the M

Are you claiming that slavery had nothing to do with it? > The revolution began in October 1835, after a decade of political and cultural clashes between the Mexican government and the increasingly large population of Anglo-American settlers in Texas. The Mexican government had become increasingly centralized and the rights of its citizens had become increasingly curtailed, particularly regarding immigration from the United States. Mexico had officially abolished slavery in Texas in 1829, and the desire of Anglo Texans to maintain the institution of chattel slavery in Texas was also a major cause of secession. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution

theultdev 3y ago
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- AlecSchueler 3y ago
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    - AlecSchueler 3y ago
      Don't know what that is but I was only teasing.
      - theultdev 3y ago
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        boston_clone 3y ago
        Here's a link to the general provisions of the Texas Constitution from 1836. https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/republic-texas-1836/general-provisions https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/republic-texas-...
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        AlecSchueler 3y ago
        No trolling, just some light teasing. I found it disturbing that you were repeatedly accusing this publication of 'race baiting" with no real basis. We all need to recognise the gravity of the history of slavery and the continuing social stratification that its legacy is causing around the world. I think it's dangerous to make accusations like you have done here. I asked you several times to clarify what you were saying and only received vague spiels about the Spanish language somehow ensuring that English derivations must be free of racist connotations. This left me a little exasperated and I felt that a bit of light banter would highlight some of the vacuuity of the accusations I was reading. Totally fine if you think they've made a factual error but the accusation of race bait is a serious one and only serves to undermine any chance of such conversations being held with civility. Not everyone who says things you disagree with are trolling or baiting or acting with insiduous agendas.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    I did not deny racial aspects of American history. I just dispute that it has anything to do with this event. I welcome you to expand on your linkage between the two though.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Look, I wasn't taught any of this either, and I went to school in Massachusetts (Yankee as heck.) But search the web for: Texas Revolution Slavery or Texas Cotton Slavery There are sound arguments from historians that slavery was indeed a significant factor in the Texas Revolution. Was it the only factor? No. But it was significant. In those days, in cotton land, cotton was not economically viable without human slavery. I also didn't know that Texas was cotton land back then. The Texas Convention of 1836 explicitly legalized slavery. I was never taught any of that. However, as I said in another comment: "But I get it, it's nicer to wrap up history in a nice bow when teaching children." I am on the old side of age, and I have to say that it's nice to still be learning things. Maybe the Internet wasn't a mistake :) edit: BTW, my deceased father's Cameron (Iron Works) and Cooper Oil Tools coveralls are hanging about 20 feet from me. I am not unfamiliar with modern Texas.
      - theultdev 3y ago
        It was covered quite well in Texas, the entire 7th grade year history is dedicated to it. Though recently the coverage has shifted to alternative points of views I've heard, but I don't have a kid so I don't know exactly how they cover it now. If you would like to pick a "sound argument" from one of those historians I'd like to hear it and cross-examine it.
        consumer451 3y ago
        Hey, so I have made all of the "arguments" that I am willing to make on this topic. Check out other parts of the thread if you are interested. However, while talking about voting is breaking HN guidelines... your higher-level comment got flagged. While I disagree with some of what of what you said, I vouched for your comment, because I believe that this discussion is important for people to see. Here's to you, bubba!

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AlecSchueler 3y ago
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- rayiner 3y ago
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  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Don't know what that is but I was only teasing.
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      - boston_clone 3y ago
        Here's a link to the general provisions of the Texas Constitution from 1836. https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/republic-texas-1836/general-provisions https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/republic-texas-...
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      - AlecSchueler 3y ago
        No trolling, just some light teasing. I found it disturbing that you were repeatedly accusing this publication of 'race baiting" with no real basis. We all need to recognise the gravity of the history of slavery and the continuing social stratification that its legacy is causing around the world. I think it's dangerous to make accusations like you have done here. I asked you several times to clarify what you were saying and only received vague spiels about the Spanish language somehow ensuring that English derivations must be free of racist connotations. This left me a little exasperated and I felt that a bit of light banter would highlight some of the vacuuity of the accusations I was reading. Totally fine if you think they've made a factual error but the accusation of race bait is a serious one and only serves to undermine any chance of such conversations being held with civility. Not everyone who says things you disagree with are trolling or baiting or acting with insiduous agendas.
- theultdev 3y ago
  I did not deny racial aspects of American history. I just dispute that it has anything to do with this event. I welcome you to expand on your linkage between the two though.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Look, I wasn't taught any of this either, and I went to school in Massachusetts (Yankee as heck.) But search the web for: Texas Revolution Slavery or Texas Cotton Slavery There are sound arguments from historians that slavery was indeed a significant factor in the Texas Revolution. Was it the only factor? No. But it was significant. In those days, in cotton land, cotton was not economically viable without human slavery. I also didn't know that Texas was cotton land back then. The Texas Convention of 1836 explicitly legalized slavery. I was never taught any of that. However, as I said in another comment: "But I get it, it's nicer to wrap up history in a nice bow when teaching children." I am on the old side of age, and I have to say that it's nice to still be learning things. Maybe the Internet wasn't a mistake :) edit: BTW, my deceased father's Cameron (Iron Works) and Cooper Oil Tools coveralls are hanging about 20 feet from me. I am not unfamiliar with modern Texas.
    - theultdev 3y ago
      It was covered quite well in Texas, the entire 7th grade year history is dedicated to it. Though recently the coverage has shifted to alternative points of views I've heard, but I don't have a kid so I don't know exactly how they cover it now. If you would like to pick a "sound argument" from one of those historians I'd like to hear it and cross-examine it.
      - consumer451 3y ago
        Hey, so I have made all of the "arguments" that I am willing to make on this topic. Check out other parts of the thread if you are interested. However, while talking about voting is breaking HN guidelines... your higher-level comment got flagged. While I disagree with some of what of what you said, I vouched for your comment, because I believe that this discussion is important for people to see. Here's to you, bubba!