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> “We are obligated to follow the laws in the countries where we operate, even when we disagree,” an Apple spokesman said. That sure didn't happen in the EU, d

by mizzao 3y ago

> “We are obligated to follow the laws in the countries where we operate, even when we disagree,” an Apple spokesman said. That sure didn't happen in the EU, did it? Is Apple just more scared of China?

TiredOfLife 3y ago
Apple still removes apps for Russia when it asks.
sinuhe69 3y ago
The law of EU is threatening the whole business model of Apple, while the order of China relates to a single product only, and not even a product of Apple itself. So the cases are not comparable at all. Besides, the Chinese order is a clear cut while the law of EU open many ways to interpret.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  > the law of EU open many ways to interpret. This is only a problem if you’re intentionally trying to do the bare minimum or have a scummy business model that you’re trying to protect. You can always take the nicest, pro-user (or pro-competition, pro-privacy, etc) approach to preempt any variance in interpretation. Nobody’s been fined for being too compliant after all.
  - sinuhe69 3y ago
    And what would the society would get (net total) if everybody is too compliant with the law or government’s orders? Where would we go? I don’t think it would be a nice place. PS: not particularly related to the Apple’s case, though.
richrichie 3y ago
Apple has generally been consistent - it does what generates the most returns to its shareholders.
tiltowait 3y ago
If you're referring to the DMA, "remove these two apps from your store" is so much simpler (not to mention clearer) than that cluster, it's pointless to even compare the two situations.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  China also has no qualms about deleting people if they dare to defy, unlike Europe. As it turns out, potential death is a great motivator.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  DMA compliance is only hard because it gets in the way of Apple’s scummy business model. It does not have to be hard. Most products begin as DMA compliant, it takes extra effort to make them not compliant. Apple can stop that extra effort virtually overnight.
realusername 3y ago
As long as Apple gets their cut, they don't care. Their icloud servers are even controlled by the government in China, pulling out a few apps is nothing compared to that. And they are still operating in Russia like nothing happened. They really don't like the EU because it threatens their cut and risks a domino effect globally where other countries could ask the same. China and Russia do not do that.
graemep 3y ago
> Is Apple just more scared of China? They probably are. They have roughly the same sized economies in nominal GDP, China is a lot bigger in PP terms, and China's government has a far greater powers and a far more compliant legal system to enforce its will.

by mizzao 3y ago

TiredOfLife 3y ago

Apple still removes apps for Russia when it asks.

sinuhe69 3y ago

The law of EU is threatening the whole business model of Apple, while the order of China relates to a single product only, and not even a product of Apple itself. So the cases are not comparable at all. Besides, the Chinese order is a clear cut while the law of EU open many ways to interpret.

Nextgrid 3y ago
> the law of EU open many ways to interpret. This is only a problem if you’re intentionally trying to do the bare minimum or have a scummy business model that you’re trying to protect. You can always take the nicest, pro-user (or pro-competition, pro-privacy, etc) approach to preempt any variance in interpretation. Nobody’s been fined for being too compliant after all.
- sinuhe69 3y ago
  And what would the society would get (net total) if everybody is too compliant with the law or government’s orders? Where would we go? I don’t think it would be a nice place. PS: not particularly related to the Apple’s case, though.

richrichie 3y ago

Apple has generally been consistent - it does what generates the most returns to its shareholders.

tiltowait 3y ago

If you're referring to the DMA, "remove these two apps from your store" is so much simpler (not to mention clearer) than that cluster, it's pointless to even compare the two situations.

Dalewyn 3y ago
China also has no qualms about deleting people if they dare to defy, unlike Europe. As it turns out, potential death is a great motivator.
Nextgrid 3y ago
DMA compliance is only hard because it gets in the way of Apple’s scummy business model. It does not have to be hard. Most products begin as DMA compliant, it takes extra effort to make them not compliant. Apple can stop that extra effort virtually overnight.

realusername 3y ago

As long as Apple gets their cut, they don't care. Their icloud servers are even controlled by the government in China, pulling out a few apps is nothing compared to that. And they are still operating in Russia like nothing happened. They really don't like the EU because it threatens their cut and risks a domino effect globally where other countries could ask the same. China and Russia do not do that.

graemep 3y ago

> Is Apple just more scared of China? They probably are. They have roughly the same sized economies in nominal GDP, China is a lot bigger in PP terms, and China's government has a far greater powers and a far more compliant legal system to enforce its will.