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Not surprisingly Americans think the first amendment is a thing that exists in every single country and are surprised when other countries have laws that are no

Not surprisingly Americans think the first amendment is a thing that exists in every single country and are surprised when other countries have laws that are not the exact copy of the US constitution.

metadat 3y ago
Where is this comment coming from? This reeks of anti-american bias, what substance does this add to the discussion?
- mlinhares 3y ago
  Just look at the other comments here saying "oh, this is not a democracy, that's now how democracy works, you can't do that" and, actually, you can, different countries have different laws, electoral law in Brazil is very strict, to the point that if you're campaigning close to voting places on election day you will be arrested and it's all fine, people mostly follow the law and don't get in trouble for it.
  - metadat 3y ago
    Who claimed Brazil is is a proper democracy? The country is largely messed up and controlled by cartels or other outside influences, similar to much of South America. Even the United States is not a true democracy, it's a cheap clone, at best -- *A Representative Republic. There's a reason mant Brazilians have migrated the United States -- Basic safety. Sources: https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/in-brazil-your-internet-provider-may-be-a-mobster-cops-say-100711418/ https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/in-brazil-your-interne... https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/14o2i3q/in_some_houses_in_brazil_for_them_to_not_get/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/14o2i... Edit: Can anyone recover the link to the phone pole maintenance worker who was taken hostage in south America? I think it happened in Mexico, but memory is fuzzy. The government didn't do shit to help that guy. Terrifying.
    - mlinhares 3y ago
      Jesus. Yeah dude, go on, all dictatorships.
    - metadat 3y ago
      I found the article! Special Report: Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexico’s cell tower repairmen https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN24G1DM/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN24G1DM/ This was also discussed on HN at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23876847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23876847 (July 2020)
  - elzbardico 3y ago
    Well, you can just go live there and tell us in a few years how it really is. https://www.gov.br/pt-br/temas/immigration-public-services https://www.gov.br/pt-br/temas/immigration-public-services
elzbardico 3y ago
While other countries may not have exactly the same legal institute as the American Constitution's First Amendment, Freedom of Speech is not only enshrined on the Brazilian Constitution but is also a part of the United Nations declaration of Human Rights (General Assembly resolution 217 A) from which Brazil is one of the signatories, ratified by the Brazilian Congress. You probably don't know it, but international agreements signed by the chief of the executive and ratified by the congress ARE law in Brazil. Maybe you are really a lot smarter and knowledgeable than the Americans you condescendingly cite in your comment, but apparently on this particular matter your level of knowledge is not as vast as you seem to think.
- mlinhares 3y ago
  That's not a thing at all. Multiple signatories of the UN Declaration of Human Rights restrict freedom of speech. In Germany, for instance, the penal code forbids denying the Holocaust and Nazi Propaganda, multiple other countries have laws that cover hate speech and racism, like Brazil does. Unrestricted freedom of speech is very much a US thing, and even in the US there is a lot of case law for when there are restrictions.
  - raxxorraxor 3y ago
    Germany is sadly not a good role model for speech protection. But for that matter, in society it is usually seen as a sign that someone lost an argument if an opinion is censored. Yes, there are exceptions for the Holocaust, but the an exception proves the presence of a rule.
- piva00 3y ago
  Brazilian Constitution does not provide the same liberties as the First Amendment in the USA, there are limits to free speech like in many other countries. The USA is the odd one out with unrestricted free speech.

metadat 3y ago

Where is this comment coming from? This reeks of anti-american bias, what substance does this add to the discussion?

mlinhares 3y ago
Just look at the other comments here saying "oh, this is not a democracy, that's now how democracy works, you can't do that" and, actually, you can, different countries have different laws, electoral law in Brazil is very strict, to the point that if you're campaigning close to voting places on election day you will be arrested and it's all fine, people mostly follow the law and don't get in trouble for it.
- metadat 3y ago
  Who claimed Brazil is is a proper democracy? The country is largely messed up and controlled by cartels or other outside influences, similar to much of South America. Even the United States is not a true democracy, it's a cheap clone, at best -- *A Representative Republic. There's a reason mant Brazilians have migrated the United States -- Basic safety. Sources: https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/in-brazil-your-internet-provider-may-be-a-mobster-cops-say-100711418/ https://www.saltwire.com/halifax/news/in-brazil-your-interne... https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/14o2i3q/in_some_houses_in_brazil_for_them_to_not_get/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/14o2i... Edit: Can anyone recover the link to the phone pole maintenance worker who was taken hostage in south America? I think it happened in Mexico, but memory is fuzzy. The government didn't do shit to help that guy. Terrifying.
  - mlinhares 3y ago
    Jesus. Yeah dude, go on, all dictatorships.
  - metadat 3y ago
    I found the article! Special Report: Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexico’s cell tower repairmen https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN24G1DM/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN24G1DM/ This was also discussed on HN at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23876847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23876847 (July 2020)
- elzbardico 3y ago
  Well, you can just go live there and tell us in a few years how it really is. https://www.gov.br/pt-br/temas/immigration-public-services https://www.gov.br/pt-br/temas/immigration-public-services

elzbardico 3y ago

While other countries may not have exactly the same legal institute as the American Constitution's First Amendment, Freedom of Speech is not only enshrined on the Brazilian Constitution but is also a part of the United Nations declaration of Human Rights (General Assembly resolution 217 A) from which Brazil is one of the signatories, ratified by the Brazilian Congress. You probably don't know it, but international agreements signed by the chief of the executive and ratified by the congress ARE law in Brazil. Maybe you are really a lot smarter and knowledgeable than the Americans you condescendingly cite in your comment, but apparently on this particular matter your level of knowledge is not as vast as you seem to think.

mlinhares 3y ago
That's not a thing at all. Multiple signatories of the UN Declaration of Human Rights restrict freedom of speech. In Germany, for instance, the penal code forbids denying the Holocaust and Nazi Propaganda, multiple other countries have laws that cover hate speech and racism, like Brazil does. Unrestricted freedom of speech is very much a US thing, and even in the US there is a lot of case law for when there are restrictions.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  Germany is sadly not a good role model for speech protection. But for that matter, in society it is usually seen as a sign that someone lost an argument if an opinion is censored. Yes, there are exceptions for the Holocaust, but the an exception proves the presence of a rule.
piva00 3y ago
Brazilian Constitution does not provide the same liberties as the First Amendment in the USA, there are limits to free speech like in many other countries. The USA is the odd one out with unrestricted free speech.