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Calling AJ or WP established news organizations is like calling water dry. They're both propaganda arms of the same type of people who have never had a good th

Calling AJ or WP established news organizations is like calling water dry. They're both propaganda arms of the same type of people who have never had a good thing to say about Jews. AJ in particular is literally owned by the very people harboring and funding Hamas. while WP is owned by and run by the same people who chant "from the river..." and talk about the Nakba and the innocent palestinians without any irony. These are people incapable of understanding the actual facts on the ground either because they've been totally brainwashed or like in your case, their jobs prevent them from accepting rational arguments.

Thiez 2y ago
I think we can safely conclude that you have no source for your original claim of spying and are just resorting to throwing mud when people request evidence for your false claims. If you're trying to convince anyone, I would highly recommend more evidence and less name-calling and accusations of brainwashing. Have the day you deserve.
- nolongerthere 2y ago
  I engaged with him elsewhere in the thread on this topic. All you safely assume is that he's a troll.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    After a lot of gish galloping and moving the goal post, you finally found a claim in one of my side notes which you could dispute with sources. This claim was merely a demonstration of media bias, an example of how true statements can be editorialized to adhere to propaganda. I was using this to agree with you that Al Jazeera was indeed spouting propaganda while still telling the truth. This was the number of victims to date. The BBC is just like Al Jazeera. A biased media outlet owned and funded by a partial state, which runs an independent news program. Qatar and, by extension, Al Jazeera is partial towards the Palestinian cause while the UK and, by extension, the BBC are partial towards Israel. Here are two articles by the news outlet partial towards Israel which dispute your disputing of the casualty numbers. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 Of course this was never engaging with my claims, rather it was finding a single claim (no matter how irrelevant) which you could dispute, win an argument over, and claim victory on the whole debate. If you wanted to engage with my true claims, you would provide me with a source on where you read that Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuraya were Hamas “spotters” spying on IDF encampment in the area. You would tell me which definition of Genocide you are using and explain how Israel’s conduct doesn’t fall under it. You would dispute the 85 page document filed by South Africa claiming genocide, not by ad-hominem stating that South Africa is an evil country, nor by claiming me citing it is an appeal to authority, but by reading the content, providing counter points and counter evidence of the report.
    - nolongerthere 2y ago
      I don't know what universe you're living in where you believe the "Hamas isn't a terrorist org" BBC is pro Israel, but again it just goes to show me that you're not even remotely pretending to argue from a place of honesty and are just spouting trollism nonsense to bait me. As usual, you've gone overboard in spreading lies and misinformation. Not once have I ever moved the goal posts, you're the one who keeps introducing more lies and then backtracking or ignoring me every time I call you out. Please just be honest and admit: you hate jews... it's ok you're in good company. But pretending to be concerned about a people who have no regard for their own life is so sad and pointless.
    - nolongerthere 2y ago
      Just to get back on topic: You claim that the only people in the world who can define genocide are the very people who have perpetrated genocide after genocide against basically every other minority, now those very same people, who actively participated in the murder of millions, get to decide if some minority that they don't like is evil; that's essentially the claim you are making. Consider that maybe such people don't have any idea what they're talking about and are simply totally wrong. Consider that you wanting the Jews to be doing something evil so you can be justified in your hatred doesn't mean the Jews are doing anything wrong, it just means that you have hatred in your heart. Is it possible? You keep asking me to be curious, why don't you try being curious about why you, after only ever consuming content that paints Jews in the worst possible light, might not be capable of giving them the benefit of the doubt? Why it might be literally impossible for you to view any topic about Jews through a fair lens?
      - runarberg 2y ago
        Never in this thread, nor anywhere else on HN, nor anywhere else do I speak generally about the Jews. In fact, when I see people doing that here on HN, I flag it. “The Jews” are not committing a genocide, they are not committing war crimes, they are not oppressing Palestinians. I don’t claim that, the UN doesn’t claim that, the only people claiming that are actual anti-Semites, and neither me, nor all pro-Palestinan people I know, want anything to do with these anti-Semites (except maybe punch them in the face). The state of Israel is committing genocide, and “The Jews” have absolutely nothing to with the state of Israel. Which ethnicity the leaders of the state of Israel has, has nothing to with the rest of the people who share that ethnicity. To be absolutely clear: The Jews have done absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, I don’t want the Jews to do anything, except continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. Now, with that out of the way. Genocide is clearly defined by the UN. It is a pretty universal and undisputed definition. Most nation (152 to be exact; see list[1]) have signed and put into law this same definition, including both Israel (in 1950) and Palestine (in 2014). This includes nations in both hemispheres, on all 6 habitable continents, of all major religion, indigenous nations, former colonies, current colonizers, countries with minority representation, majority minority nations, homogeneous nations etc. Even countries that have in the past been perpetrators and victims of genocide have signed on this definition of Genocide. I’m not making any claims here which isn’t pretty much universally accepted. And according to this definition—which is universally accepted—it has been ruled by many experts and a legal authority on the matter, that it is plausible that Israel (not the Jews) are committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza as a group. You see, I also want Palestinians in Gaza to continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. And as of now it is plausible that the state of Israel is working to deny them this existence, by committing a genocide against them. For that I do indeed hate the state of Israel, just as I hate Nazis trying to deny Jewish people the right to exist. In fact my heart is full of hatred towards the ideology of Zionism. But at the same time my heart is full of love towards Jewish people. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocide_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocid...

Thiez 2y ago

I think we can safely conclude that you have no source for your original claim of spying and are just resorting to throwing mud when people request evidence for your false claims. If you're trying to convince anyone, I would highly recommend more evidence and less name-calling and accusations of brainwashing. Have the day you deserve.

nolongerthere 2y ago
I engaged with him elsewhere in the thread on this topic. All you safely assume is that he's a troll.
- runarberg 2y ago
  After a lot of gish galloping and moving the goal post, you finally found a claim in one of my side notes which you could dispute with sources. This claim was merely a demonstration of media bias, an example of how true statements can be editorialized to adhere to propaganda. I was using this to agree with you that Al Jazeera was indeed spouting propaganda while still telling the truth. This was the number of victims to date. The BBC is just like Al Jazeera. A biased media outlet owned and funded by a partial state, which runs an independent news program. Qatar and, by extension, Al Jazeera is partial towards the Palestinian cause while the UK and, by extension, the BBC are partial towards Israel. Here are two articles by the news outlet partial towards Israel which dispute your disputing of the casualty numbers. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864 Of course this was never engaging with my claims, rather it was finding a single claim (no matter how irrelevant) which you could dispute, win an argument over, and claim victory on the whole debate. If you wanted to engage with my true claims, you would provide me with a source on where you read that Hamza al-Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuraya were Hamas “spotters” spying on IDF encampment in the area. You would tell me which definition of Genocide you are using and explain how Israel’s conduct doesn’t fall under it. You would dispute the 85 page document filed by South Africa claiming genocide, not by ad-hominem stating that South Africa is an evil country, nor by claiming me citing it is an appeal to authority, but by reading the content, providing counter points and counter evidence of the report.
  - nolongerthere 2y ago
    I don't know what universe you're living in where you believe the "Hamas isn't a terrorist org" BBC is pro Israel, but again it just goes to show me that you're not even remotely pretending to argue from a place of honesty and are just spouting trollism nonsense to bait me. As usual, you've gone overboard in spreading lies and misinformation. Not once have I ever moved the goal posts, you're the one who keeps introducing more lies and then backtracking or ignoring me every time I call you out. Please just be honest and admit: you hate jews... it's ok you're in good company. But pretending to be concerned about a people who have no regard for their own life is so sad and pointless.
  - nolongerthere 2y ago
    Just to get back on topic: You claim that the only people in the world who can define genocide are the very people who have perpetrated genocide after genocide against basically every other minority, now those very same people, who actively participated in the murder of millions, get to decide if some minority that they don't like is evil; that's essentially the claim you are making. Consider that maybe such people don't have any idea what they're talking about and are simply totally wrong. Consider that you wanting the Jews to be doing something evil so you can be justified in your hatred doesn't mean the Jews are doing anything wrong, it just means that you have hatred in your heart. Is it possible? You keep asking me to be curious, why don't you try being curious about why you, after only ever consuming content that paints Jews in the worst possible light, might not be capable of giving them the benefit of the doubt? Why it might be literally impossible for you to view any topic about Jews through a fair lens?
    - runarberg 2y ago
      Never in this thread, nor anywhere else on HN, nor anywhere else do I speak generally about the Jews. In fact, when I see people doing that here on HN, I flag it. “The Jews” are not committing a genocide, they are not committing war crimes, they are not oppressing Palestinians. I don’t claim that, the UN doesn’t claim that, the only people claiming that are actual anti-Semites, and neither me, nor all pro-Palestinan people I know, want anything to do with these anti-Semites (except maybe punch them in the face). The state of Israel is committing genocide, and “The Jews” have absolutely nothing to with the state of Israel. Which ethnicity the leaders of the state of Israel has, has nothing to with the rest of the people who share that ethnicity. To be absolutely clear: The Jews have done absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, I don’t want the Jews to do anything, except continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. Now, with that out of the way. Genocide is clearly defined by the UN. It is a pretty universal and undisputed definition. Most nation (152 to be exact; see list[1]) have signed and put into law this same definition, including both Israel (in 1950) and Palestine (in 2014). This includes nations in both hemispheres, on all 6 habitable continents, of all major religion, indigenous nations, former colonies, current colonizers, countries with minority representation, majority minority nations, homogeneous nations etc. Even countries that have in the past been perpetrators and victims of genocide have signed on this definition of Genocide. I’m not making any claims here which isn’t pretty much universally accepted. And according to this definition—which is universally accepted—it has been ruled by many experts and a legal authority on the matter, that it is plausible that Israel (not the Jews) are committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza as a group. You see, I also want Palestinians in Gaza to continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. And as of now it is plausible that the state of Israel is working to deny them this existence, by committing a genocide against them. For that I do indeed hate the state of Israel, just as I hate Nazis trying to deny Jewish people the right to exist. In fact my heart is full of hatred towards the ideology of Zionism. But at the same time my heart is full of love towards Jewish people. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocide_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocid...