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SeaMonkey All-in-One Internet Application Suite
- BirAdam 2y agoI love SeaMonkey, but I do wish it could handle more modern sites, maybe with Goanna?
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- infotainment 2y agoDoesn’t it use the same engine as modern versions of Firefox?
- Worldblender 2y agoIt does use the same engine from Firefox, although not always the latest version. This project strives to backport security updates from newer Firefox versions whenever they can, sometimes being able to upgrade the base Firefox version, while keeping the legacy XUL based add-on support. This is actually one thing I like wtih Seamonkey, alongside its HTML editor (that which could see better support for CSS and Javascript/ECMAScript stuff) and GUI based image blocking.
- Macha 2y agoNo, it's stuck with the engine at Firefox 68 (from 2019) with backported security fixes. A lot of the XUL removal stuff has meant that SeaMonkey basically needs to rewrite their UI to update to current versions
- infotainment 2y agoOh wow, that’s quite old; I hope they can find a way to backport newer versions at some point.
- blue1 2y agoI have been using Seamonkey since when it was called Netscape, but there are so many sites that do not work with it that I been forced to switch to Firefox. I still use Seamonkey for my mail though, I prefer it to Thunderbird.
- Thoreandan 2y agoAn, Netscape Communicator
- musicale 2y agoIt's nice to see a web browser with an integrated editor - a feature of the original WorldWideWeb browser. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb
- j45 2y agoIt’s a great way to get readers and consumers to become writers and creators
- azinman2 2y agoExcept now it’s not, really. Squarespace, blogs, even Twitter is a far better set of tools that are much easier, handle hosting and distribution etc.
- Dalewyn 2y ago[flagged]
- thewakalix 2y agoIt's not even necessary for compression -- gzip is decent and transparent.
- idle_zealot 2y agoIt's not done for compression, it's about tree-shaking and bundling dependencies.
- trelane 2y agoAnd failing in weird abd obscure ways if your browser is slightly outside the mainstream. Like if it's SeaMonkey.
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- nullhole 2y agoI stuck around using it for longer than I probably should have. The integrated chat and mail clients were useful. The HTML editor not so much, and didn't appear to get much attention. One of the main things I miss is the LCARSTrek theme by KaiRo. Unlike any other LCARS browser theme, I found it to be usable on a day to day basis. Sadly it isn't available for Firefox. https://www.kairo.at/download/mozskins https://www.kairo.at/download/mozskins
- hales 2y agoI also miss using both Seamonkey and themes :( I wasn't a fan of LCARs, but Earlyblue was great. > The HTML editor not so much, and didn't appear to get much attention. I found it useful. Firefox's inbuilt HTML editor features are worse, they don't have floating table editing. Nowadays I use Thunderbird to write HTML whenever I don't want to do it by hand, almost the same thing.
- nix0n 2y ago> The HTML editor not so much, and didn't appear to get much attention. I highly recommend SeaMonkey's HTML editor to anyone who would otherwise be tempted to write HTML in MS Word. It doesn't have a ton of features, but the webpage will be readable both in rendered and in source form. I used to use it heavily when creating MS Help .chm (Compiled HtMl) helpfiles.
- infotainment 2y agoI love that this project exists, it’s amazing to be able to use a browser that is, in essence, unchanged from the early 2000s. I just wish there was a Mac ARM build…
- worewood 2y agoSeamonkey needs more love so they can keep up the engine with the web. The Netscape vibes is something I dearly miss.
- qwerty456127 2y agoIt would feal so great if whoever owns Netscape now could donate the trademark to Mozilla to use instead of SeaMonkey :-)
- looopTools 2y agoIt is AOL EDIT: woops nope it is Yahoo now XD
- 1oooqooq 2y agoit's Apollo group. a corporate raider from the 80s who now owns aol's and yahoo's empty shells.
- mxuribe 2y agoI used to work for a company owned by Apollo - if its the one i'm thinking of...and if so then "corporate raider from the 80s" is putting things mildly. Those guys really were the type to squeeze every ounce of value of any org without remorse for the future or without thinking of the long-term value that an org could produce.
- rachr 2y agoI currently work for a company owned by Apollo, and nothing about Apollo has changed.
- mxuribe 2y agoMy sympathies, and I certainly hope you are not negatively impacted by their crappy decisions!
- conductr 2y agoI'm pretty sure AOL and yahoo had self inflicted the value extraction long before these guys came on board
- looopTools 2y agoI really like the concept of SeaMonkey, but the project needs some major UI updates and way more love to be relevant today.
- hulitu 2y agoThis definitely no. The reason i use it is the UI. Firefox, Chrome, Edge UI is a mess, a disgrace of UI design. I had to edit the user.css to get scrollbars at reasonable width.
- cckk 2y agoi agree. why fix something that's not broken :D
- helboi4 2y agoHaving scrollbars of reasonable width is not antithetical to having a UI that looks like it was made after 2006. You could easily have something that looks like Chrome and has a larger scrollbar. You could go for a different look, just not one that literally looks ancient.
- StuffMaster 2y agoIt looks perfectly fine to me. Changing for change's sake would mean that Chrome will need a new interface soon in order to not look ancient...
- helboi4 2y agoNot the same thing dude. This interface is straight outta 2005. Chrome's interface has been being tweaked constantly over the years. It doesn't need an overhaul because it's not 15+ years out of date. But I mean, you do you man. There's nothing wrong with liking retro interfaces. I once tried to do everything to make my computer look like Windows XP just for nostalgia. Regardless, the product has nice features that would be cool to use, except most people don't want one application on their computer to look like it was there when 9/11 happened while everything else looks new. There would be nothing wrong with having an application with the same features that's not off-putting to most users. But sure, they can block themselves into a niche of people that don't care if UI looks nice if they really want. That's allowed. Not illegal lol.
- sharpshadow 2y agoIt seems like a lot of Firefox addons are not longer compatible with Seamonkey after Firefox changed their addon functionality and Seamonkey is still using a old Firefox version. The old addon system was more powerful so I guess they kept it also for backwards compatibility of existing addons. But now the new addons won’t work and the old ones are old and probably not longer maintained. Usually all email clients have a good web version nowadays which make the integrated email less interesting. To make this project live again it would need to break backwards compatibility and adjust to the Firefox release cycle. Overall it would be a good candidate to integrate with AI.
- integricho 2y agoOr those could be precisely the reasons that would kill it for good. Putting AI tech in every product is not a good idea, just riding the hypetrain.
- Y_Y 2y agoIf you like the hypetrain just wait until Elon Musk's HypeLoop!
- sharpshadow 2y agoIsn’t the hype over yet and established technology now? Having an assistant in an all-in-one suit is factually better than most single use AI products. Reading and answering the chat and emails, coding, browsing, scraping, botting… actually a good platform to pretending being a human.
- integricho 2y agoI'm afraid the hype is still rising very much, and a very large percentage of AI products are snakeoil, or barely functional PoCs, that are hyped up for a quick cash grab.
- sharpshadow 2y agoYes I totally agree with the snake oil but the technology overall is valid and working.
- unlog 2y agoI have ported multiple tab handler from piro to seamonkey back in the day, I miss xul so much, the browser used to be a very powerful tool
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- B3QL 2y agoIt's weird how you spell Emacs :P
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoI'm surprised it's still around. It's always been a cool project, but I've personally, never found much use for it.
- dopp0 2y agoI really miss the animation Netscape had at the time. The comets and all...
- bitzun 2y agoIIRC I set this up for my grandmother way back in the day because she wanted a netscape/mozilla equivalent. I'd be interested to know what kinds of folks use it today.
- cowmix 2y agoThis still has the best SOCKS5 proxy abilities, even over normal Firefox. This browser + "ssh -D" has saved me many times working in highly restrictive networks.
- Elbrus 2y ago> This still has the best SOCKS5 proxy abilities, even over normal Firefox Could you please elaborate a bit on what exactly do you mean by that? E.g. in Firefox one can do the following: - Connection -> SSH -> Tunnels in Putty connection options. - Add a dynamic tunnel there. - Start the session. - Then enter 127.0.0.1 and the chosen port as a SOCKS v5 proxy in Firefox options. Congratulations! A poor man's VPN is ready. An extension like FoxyProxy can be added for further convenience. What can be done in SeaMonkey on top of that?
- Gormo 2y agoSimpler even than Chromium-based browser's `--proxy-server="socks5://127.0.0.1:10000" argument. I use that all the time with SSH.
- ajtjp 2y agoI keep an install of SeaMonkey 2.49.5 on my desktop. It's my preferred platform for browsing FTP and Gopher (the latter with the OverbiteFF add-on), and is the last version of SeaMonkey that has full NPAPI support, useful if I find an old site with a Java applet, or would for some reason need Silverlight. And being based on Firefox 52, it still works with most web sites as well; more recent versions would work even better with modern web sites. I should try its HTML editor, it might be a nice upgrade from writing my HTML pages in Notepad++. The vintage UI is part of the charm. Admittedly the "Stop" button is less useful than it was in the '90s, but I'm a believer that we've lost more than we've gained with the trend towards low-chrome browser designs.
- SpaceL10n 2y agoWhy not VSCode? It's support for extensions are great. Emmet for rapid HTML scaffolding, inline hex color preview, autocomplete for attributes, and not to mention great multi-line editing support. And, of course, CoPilot which can write/edit HTML so much faster than I can type. Can you tell I'm a fan?
- xacky 2y agoSeamonkey used to be simply be known as "Mozilla" or "Mozilla Application Suite", and was the original browser by Mozilla before they decided to spin off the code into the "Phoenix" and "Thunderbird" projects. Originally the plan was that Mozilla was a browser for developers and that consumers would use Netscape. However AOL laid off the Netscape developers in 2003 and focus was switched to making Phoenix, which was then called Firebird the main product of the Mozilla project, and it become known as Firefox in 2004. I was around for the original 1.0 releases of Firefox and Mozilla, and after it was clear that Firefox was more popular than the Mozilla Application Suite it was spun off into the Seamonkey project, taking the name from the original codename used in the development of the browser. In recent years, the legacy code of Seamonkey means that its rendering engine hasn't kept up with Firefox, meaning that most modern sites don't work with it anymore, but it is an interesting historical browser who's user interface hasn't changed much since the 2000s, compared to Firefox which changes its user interface regularly.