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My comment on Abort Retry Fail’s post: – “This version brought NetWare Directory Services to the market in direct competition with Microsoft Active Directory.
by lukeh 2y ago
My comment on Abort Retry Fail’s post:
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“This version brought NetWare Directory Services to the market in direct competition with Microsoft Active Directory.” – well, this is true if you have a time machine :) NetWare 4 was released in 1993, some seven years before Active Directory. Indeed, some clever Novell engineers figured out how to use NDS as a backend for the NT Security Accounts Manager (SAM) database, allowing NT domains (which until Active Directory were flat in structure) to take advantage of the hierarchical and distributed nature of NDS. Microsoft wasn’t too pleased with this by all reports.
Clearly, Active Directory won in the end, but whether this is due to engineering brilliance or Microsoft leveraging one monopoly to create another, I’ll leave it to the reader to decide.
Side note: in 2002 I started developing a plug compatible Active Directory replacement, XAD. I was able to leverage open source software such as OpenLDAP, Kerberos, DCE RPC and Samba 3 (for its file service; the domain controller implementation was written from scratch), but it still took me about five years to complete.
XAD was acquired by Novell in 2007 and, after some herculean efforts on the part of myself and Novell’s engineering team, was integrated with eDirectory (née NDS) and Open Enterprise Server (OES). Most of the Active Directory ‘personality’ lived on top of eDirectory but there was some deep integration in the core, for example to ensure that a user created over the native eDirectory protocols would still be assigned a NT Security Identifier (SID) when in DSfW mode. Recall this was done before Microsoft published any of the protocol documentation so, it involved quite a lot of protocol analysis.
DSfW I think is still part of OES but, Samba 4 will have long eclipsed it in functionality and bug-for-bug compatibility with Active Directory. I’m still proud of what we did and the great team at Novell in Provo and Bangalore. Most of the extensions to MIT Kerberos and DCE RPC were released as open source, which then found their way into Samba and macOS (respectively).
- canucker2016 2y agoReading the Novell corporate history is interesting. Starting in microcomputers, hard pivoting into corporate networking using resellers as their sales force, then trying to move up the ladder because expensive custom network driver/custom network server isn't sustainable with Unix's built-in networking and server banging on the corporate doors. Their move into office suite software seemed late (PerfectOffice 3 released for Win3.x in December 1994) given the Win95 juggernaut was coming in less than a year. One guy who came out well from the Novell CEO office: Eric Schmidt. Afterwards, he landed at a small startup called Google. Now he's off spending his billions... For more info about Active Directory (which came from MS Exchange's Directory component), you can read the dev lead's comment: https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/021-expanding-breadth-versus-coherency/comment/1801958 https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/021-expand... There's more about MS Exchange from a MS C-level suite viewpoint: https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/021-expanding-breadth-versus-coherency/ https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/021-expand...
- patjensen 2y agoI caught that timeline discrepancy as well. I was surprised to see Active Directory mentioned so early in the NetWare timeline, NDS had quite a bit of time to gain the high ground in market share.