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I am not pretending that it's a strange thing to do, or that people don't do it. My point is that people don't do it every day. That's a fact. People sometimes

I am not pretending that it's a strange thing to do, or that people don't do it. My point is that people don't do it every day. That's a fact. People sometimes drive a 400 mile trip for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Fact. EV being a bad choice because the 2 trips a year that someone makes are longer than it's range: opinion and not fact. First, that's trading the convenience and cost saving associated with the thing you do 98% of the time, with a minor inconvenience for the 2% case. Second, a 400 mile trip will easily take 6 hours of straight driving. At some point you're going to make a pit stop, even if it's to refill on gas since 400 miles is pushing it for a gas car. So the real question is how much longer is that one stop you make (and I highly doubt it will be just one)? Model 3s will charge to full in 25-30 minutes at a supercharger. So the inconvenience is 30 minutes minus however long your break would have anyway. Infrastructure on highways exists, here's just tesla's superchargers [0], and here's all the level 3 chargers [1]. So no, the range anxiety is not based on facts. [0]: https://www.tesla.com/findus https://www.tesla.com/findus [1]: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations

kelipso 3y ago
The inconveniences are still very real. The trip distances follow a power law, e.g. 1000 mile trip every 3 years, 400 mile trip twice a year, 100 mile trip 10 times a year, etc. Another example of inconvenience, the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter has convinced me never to go near a pure EV for at least 10 years. The infrastructure and technology is certainly not here now and the infrastructure won't be widely used for 10 years at least. I will let you all be the beta testers.
- _aavaa_ 3y ago
  > The trip distances follow a power law I'm sure they do. We disagree about whether the long tail should be handled by 1) buying a car which can handle it at the cost of the other 99% of the time, or 2) plane, train, renting a car, or extending your existing driving breaks to recahrge. > the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter As the stories themselves pointed out back then, many of the new owners did not know that preconditioning was something they had to do before being able to charge. That alone greatly exacerbated the problem.

kelipso 3y ago

The inconveniences are still very real. The trip distances follow a power law, e.g. 1000 mile trip every 3 years, 400 mile trip twice a year, 100 mile trip 10 times a year, etc. Another example of inconvenience, the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter has convinced me never to go near a pure EV for at least 10 years. The infrastructure and technology is certainly not here now and the infrastructure won't be widely used for 10 years at least. I will let you all be the beta testers.

_aavaa_ 3y ago
> The trip distances follow a power law I'm sure they do. We disagree about whether the long tail should be handled by 1) buying a car which can handle it at the cost of the other 99% of the time, or 2) plane, train, renting a car, or extending your existing driving breaks to recahrge. > the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter As the stories themselves pointed out back then, many of the new owners did not know that preconditioning was something they had to do before being able to charge. That alone greatly exacerbated the problem.