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Used to work at a F500 that dealt with Walmart a lot Walmart said, explicitly and unambiguously, absolutely none of their data was to go on or anywhere near AW

Used to work at a F500 that dealt with Walmart a lot Walmart said, explicitly and unambiguously, absolutely none of their data was to go on or anywhere near AWS. They believed they had credible concerns about data security and absolutely required Azure or GCP or other providers. We had a lot of MS SQL Enterprise licenses so bundling those with Azure was cost effective enough, and that was that.

wkat4242 3y ago
Yeah I'm kinda surprised our company is all in on Microsoft cloud services. Because we compete with them in some areas. If Amazon does such things why not MS? I mean they have our everything.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  What makes you think that Microsoft wouldn’t compete with their customers? Embrace, extend, extinguish was their unofficial motto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    No I do think that. I'm just amazed my work is so all-in on MS, they trust them completely.
jasondigitized 3y ago
Worked with Walmart as a software vendor. Can confirm. You did not ever ever say the word AWS.
- jrockway 3y ago
  There goes my expression "Nobody ever got fired for picking AWS" ;)
- deleted 3y ago
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- plasticsoprano 3y ago
  Also worked as a vendor, we used aws for their data. Walmart knew it and hated it but allowed it.
- JSDevOps 3y ago
  https://cryptome.org/eyeball/walmart/walmart-birds.htm https://cryptome.org/eyeball/walmart/walmart-birds.htm
- dehugger 3y ago
  Further, I work in the WMS (warehouse management system) field, and formerly at on the top vendors for that type of software. They explicitly did not run their cloud products on AWS, because multiple customers had that same policy. It's not just Walmart that fears Amazon spying through AWS.
sneak 3y ago
I tried to be this way in my own personal life but you can’t enter the UK as a foreigner without uploading some declaration forms to S3. It is inescapable.
- srockets 3y ago
  I trust AWS' infosec organization with all my private data much more than I trust the GHCQ.
  - sneak 3y ago
    You’re transitively trusting everyone who can 702 anything in AWS which includes NSA/CIA who thanks to the Five Eyes presumably share with GCHQ.
    - srockets 3y ago
      I'm afraid that if your threat model includes the five eyes, then you shouldn't be on the internet. A more reasonable and defendable threat model is the more common threats of identity fraud or common phone and credit scams. For safeguarding my data from those, the big CSP (with a notable exception) are probably the most equipped in the world right now.
srockets 3y ago
This is a very well known policy for Walmart, and a constant pain for AWS (other companies have similar policies towards GCP/Google). AWS emphasizes that they're not just a vendor, but a partner: your growth contributes to their growth. But for that to be a convincing argument, you have to trust that your money doesn't get used to build Amazon's retail business. The data security argument is ridiculous though.

wkat4242 3y ago

Yeah I'm kinda surprised our company is all in on Microsoft cloud services. Because we compete with them in some areas. If Amazon does such things why not MS? I mean they have our everything.

mr_toad 3y ago
What makes you think that Microsoft wouldn’t compete with their customers? Embrace, extend, extinguish was their unofficial motto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...
- wkat4242 3y ago
  No I do think that. I'm just amazed my work is so all-in on MS, they trust them completely.

jasondigitized 3y ago

Worked with Walmart as a software vendor. Can confirm. You did not ever ever say the word AWS.

jrockway 3y ago
There goes my expression "Nobody ever got fired for picking AWS" ;)
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plasticsoprano 3y ago
Also worked as a vendor, we used aws for their data. Walmart knew it and hated it but allowed it.
JSDevOps 3y ago
https://cryptome.org/eyeball/walmart/walmart-birds.htm https://cryptome.org/eyeball/walmart/walmart-birds.htm
dehugger 3y ago
Further, I work in the WMS (warehouse management system) field, and formerly at on the top vendors for that type of software. They explicitly did not run their cloud products on AWS, because multiple customers had that same policy. It's not just Walmart that fears Amazon spying through AWS.

sneak 3y ago

I tried to be this way in my own personal life but you can’t enter the UK as a foreigner without uploading some declaration forms to S3. It is inescapable.

srockets 3y ago
I trust AWS' infosec organization with all my private data much more than I trust the GHCQ.
- sneak 3y ago
  You’re transitively trusting everyone who can 702 anything in AWS which includes NSA/CIA who thanks to the Five Eyes presumably share with GCHQ.
  - srockets 3y ago
    I'm afraid that if your threat model includes the five eyes, then you shouldn't be on the internet. A more reasonable and defendable threat model is the more common threats of identity fraud or common phone and credit scams. For safeguarding my data from those, the big CSP (with a notable exception) are probably the most equipped in the world right now.

srockets 3y ago

This is a very well known policy for Walmart, and a constant pain for AWS (other companies have similar policies towards GCP/Google). AWS emphasizes that they're not just a vendor, but a partner: your growth contributes to their growth. But for that to be a convincing argument, you have to trust that your money doesn't get used to build Amazon's retail business. The data security argument is ridiculous though.