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Ok well explain why the mass market is not adopting them enmass already then. We are either there and there are compelling products that people want or we are

Ok well explain why the mass market is not adopting them enmass already then. We are either there and there are compelling products that people want or we are not and they are struggling to sell/values are going down...oh wait we are currently experiencing the latter.

thebruce87m 3y ago
> Ok well explain why the mass market is not adopting them enmass already then. Why do I need to do that? That’s what the whole “subjective” thing is. It meets my needs. It might not meet someone else’s. > We are either there and there are compelling products that people want or we are not and they are struggling to sell/values are going down...oh wait we are currently experiencing the latter. Be very careful about consuming headlines here. In a lot of places sales are still going up but this has still been headlined as “sales slowing” when they just aren’t growing as quickly, but still growing. Sure, we’re on an s-curve and certain manufacturers are changing strategies but reading the headlines would have you believe that sales are plummeting.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  I agree with not consuming headlines so thats why I went out and started spending ~100$ a day renting one EV model at a time and driving it an entire day to see the reality with living with EVs. In my experience, I haven't found a compelling model that fully replaces the ICE car I have no trouble with. That ICE car(06 Mazda 3) is my personal benchmark to beat.
govg 3y ago
The "mass market" in almost every country outside of NA is already adopting EVs, and a large part of that has been Chinese cars which aren't sold in the US due to protectionism and regulations. Take a look at EV adoption across EU or Asia or anywhere else really (BYD in Brazil for example), and you'll see the same story everywhere. It is pretty much a NA centric perspective that "EVs aren't there yet" cause the definition of "there" is bulky pickup trucks with 1000 mi range.
- kelipso 3y ago
  People just drive more and for longer distances in the US. It's a real thing that people are used to, and EVs don't match the need.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  I am a US consumer so I am looking at the US market. If you read my original post I am spending time and money to thoroughly evaluate the EVs in my price range. I can't go and buy a Chinese car in Europe so why should I be concerned about whats going on there? You are doing what I alluded to in my original comment: You are overlooking at how actual consumers are satisfied with ICE and are not seeing enough benefits to switching to EVs yet.

thebruce87m 3y ago

> Ok well explain why the mass market is not adopting them enmass already then. Why do I need to do that? That’s what the whole “subjective” thing is. It meets my needs. It might not meet someone else’s. > We are either there and there are compelling products that people want or we are not and they are struggling to sell/values are going down...oh wait we are currently experiencing the latter. Be very careful about consuming headlines here. In a lot of places sales are still going up but this has still been headlined as “sales slowing” when they just aren’t growing as quickly, but still growing. Sure, we’re on an s-curve and certain manufacturers are changing strategies but reading the headlines would have you believe that sales are plummeting.

nebula8804 3y ago
I agree with not consuming headlines so thats why I went out and started spending ~100$ a day renting one EV model at a time and driving it an entire day to see the reality with living with EVs. In my experience, I haven't found a compelling model that fully replaces the ICE car I have no trouble with. That ICE car(06 Mazda 3) is my personal benchmark to beat.

govg 3y ago

The "mass market" in almost every country outside of NA is already adopting EVs, and a large part of that has been Chinese cars which aren't sold in the US due to protectionism and regulations. Take a look at EV adoption across EU or Asia or anywhere else really (BYD in Brazil for example), and you'll see the same story everywhere. It is pretty much a NA centric perspective that "EVs aren't there yet" cause the definition of "there" is bulky pickup trucks with 1000 mi range.

kelipso 3y ago
People just drive more and for longer distances in the US. It's a real thing that people are used to, and EVs don't match the need.
nebula8804 3y ago
I am a US consumer so I am looking at the US market. If you read my original post I am spending time and money to thoroughly evaluate the EVs in my price range. I can't go and buy a Chinese car in Europe so why should I be concerned about whats going on there? You are doing what I alluded to in my original comment: You are overlooking at how actual consumers are satisfied with ICE and are not seeing enough benefits to switching to EVs yet.