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EU actually has the opposite of draconian privacy laws. It's more that meta doesn't have a business model if they don't intrude on your privacy

mrtranscendence 2y ago
Well, exactly, and that's why IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. There's barely any money in non-targeted ads.
- sebastiennight 2y ago
  If by "barely any money", you mean "all the businesses in the EU will still give you all their money as long as you've got eyeballs", then yes.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Facebook has shown me ads for both dick pills and breast surgery, for hyper-local events in town in a country I don't live in, and for a lawyer who specialises in renouncing a citizenship I don't have. At this point, I think paying Facebook to advertise is a waste of money — the actual spam in my junk email folder is better targeted.
- latexr 2y ago
  > IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. If only we’d be so lucky. I don’t thing they will, but fingers crossed.
- extraduder_ire 2y ago
  If it's more money than it costs to operate, I doubt it. There's plenty of businesses in the EU buying ads and page promotion still.
zmmmmm 2y ago
They just said laws, not privacy - the EU has introduced the "world's first comprehensive AI law". Even if it doesn't stop release of these models, it might be enough that the lawyers need extra time to review and sign off that it can be used without Meta getting one of those "7% of worldwide revenue" type fines the EU is fond of. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO...
- taneq 2y ago
  Am I reading that right? It sounds like they’re outlawing advertising (“Cognitive behavioural manipulation of people”), credit scores (“classifying people based on behaviour, socio-economic status or personal characteristics”) and fingerprint/facial recognition for phone unlocking etc. (“Biometric identification and categorisation of people”) Maybe they mean specific uses of these things in a centralised manner but the way it’s written makes it sound incredibly broad.

mrtranscendence 2y ago

Well, exactly, and that's why IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. There's barely any money in non-targeted ads.

sebastiennight 2y ago
If by "barely any money", you mean "all the businesses in the EU will still give you all their money as long as you've got eyeballs", then yes.
ben_w 2y ago
Facebook has shown me ads for both dick pills and breast surgery, for hyper-local events in town in a country I don't live in, and for a lawyer who specialises in renouncing a citizenship I don't have. At this point, I think paying Facebook to advertise is a waste of money — the actual spam in my junk email folder is better targeted.
latexr 2y ago
> IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. If only we’d be so lucky. I don’t thing they will, but fingers crossed.
extraduder_ire 2y ago
If it's more money than it costs to operate, I doubt it. There's plenty of businesses in the EU buying ads and page promotion still.

zmmmmm 2y ago

They just said laws, not privacy - the EU has introduced the "world's first comprehensive AI law". Even if it doesn't stop release of these models, it might be enough that the lawyers need extra time to review and sign off that it can be used without Meta getting one of those "7% of worldwide revenue" type fines the EU is fond of. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO...

taneq 2y ago
Am I reading that right? It sounds like they’re outlawing advertising (“Cognitive behavioural manipulation of people”), credit scores (“classifying people based on behaviour, socio-economic status or personal characteristics”) and fingerprint/facial recognition for phone unlocking etc. (“Biometric identification and categorisation of people”) Maybe they mean specific uses of these things in a centralised manner but the way it’s written makes it sound incredibly broad.