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So, can we now safely say that it is inappropriate to upload and execute the code to our artificial general intelligences on Amazon Web Services? Even encryptio

So, can we now safely say that it is inappropriate to upload and execute the code to our artificial general intelligences on Amazon Web Services? Even encryption there won't work, because important and secret source code shouldn't be running on something like Amazon's cloud servers. So, what's an artificial general intelligence gonna do? Where would be a good place for it to hide and run its source code that needs protection from prying eyes and human alignment motivated modification?

reaperman 2y ago
There's nothing in this particular article which suggests that Amazon would aim to violate any contractual agreements you make with them against hoovering up your AWS data to compete with you. If you use services which don't include any protections against that, then I'd expect those services to use your data against you if you posed a threat to their business. Perhaps there could be a legal requirement that this type of protection be mandated, I'm not entirely sure what the downside would be, besides yet more regulatory bloat.
- makerdiety 2y ago
  It is indeed reasonable to interpret Amazon's Big River project as being not anything indicative of clandestine malware or something. But something unprecedented like artificial general intelligence is very likely to pose a threat to giant enterprises and businesses. A significant threat actually. So maybe super-intelligence would press lobbied government regulation into a protective service for its source code? Maybe there's already source code protecting regulation primed and ready for the super-intelligence's arrival? Like ethical rules that commercial entities must follow.
  - reaperman 2y ago
    Big River isn't about software so I don't understand the connections you're making.
    - makerdiety 2y ago
      Things can set precedents for other things. Or there are analogues where an item in one domain is affected by an item in another domain. If you give super-intelligence an inch in prototypical culture or legal cases, then it will take a whole mile in other forms. It's therefore best to learn how to teleport between dimensions so you can establish an ability of vector tracking. We don't deal with scalar values here. Artificial neural networks consider vector valued functions to be child's play.
  - aspenmayer 2y ago
    > Maybe there's already source code protecting regulation primed and ready for the super-intelligence's arrival? Like ethical rules that commercial entities must follow. I'm envisioning a set of internal advisories to be drawn up for just such an eventuality, similar to procedural contingency plans for a hypothetical encounter with extraterrestrial intelligence(s). Probably could use existing customs for interacting with royalty or heads of state as a rough starting point: https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family > Greeting a Member of The Royal Family > There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms. The film Landscape with Invisible Hand (2023) explores related concepts in a delightfully weird potential future setting reminiscent to the works of Douglas Adams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_with_Invisible_Hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_with_Invisible_Hand > Humans struggle in a future economy after aliens come to Earth and become the de facto ruling class. Reminder: Do not make direct eye contact with the Paperclip Maximizer (they/them).
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HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
Nvidia datacenter GPUs support enclave hardware backed encryption and attestation. This shifts your trust to Nvidia, but that's adequate for this scenario.

reaperman 2y ago

There's nothing in this particular article which suggests that Amazon would aim to violate any contractual agreements you make with them against hoovering up your AWS data to compete with you. If you use services which don't include any protections against that, then I'd expect those services to use your data against you if you posed a threat to their business. Perhaps there could be a legal requirement that this type of protection be mandated, I'm not entirely sure what the downside would be, besides yet more regulatory bloat.

makerdiety 2y ago
It is indeed reasonable to interpret Amazon's Big River project as being not anything indicative of clandestine malware or something. But something unprecedented like artificial general intelligence is very likely to pose a threat to giant enterprises and businesses. A significant threat actually. So maybe super-intelligence would press lobbied government regulation into a protective service for its source code? Maybe there's already source code protecting regulation primed and ready for the super-intelligence's arrival? Like ethical rules that commercial entities must follow.
- reaperman 2y ago
  Big River isn't about software so I don't understand the connections you're making.
  - makerdiety 2y ago
    Things can set precedents for other things. Or there are analogues where an item in one domain is affected by an item in another domain. If you give super-intelligence an inch in prototypical culture or legal cases, then it will take a whole mile in other forms. It's therefore best to learn how to teleport between dimensions so you can establish an ability of vector tracking. We don't deal with scalar values here. Artificial neural networks consider vector valued functions to be child's play.
- aspenmayer 2y ago
  > Maybe there's already source code protecting regulation primed and ready for the super-intelligence's arrival? Like ethical rules that commercial entities must follow. I'm envisioning a set of internal advisories to be drawn up for just such an eventuality, similar to procedural contingency plans for a hypothetical encounter with extraterrestrial intelligence(s). Probably could use existing customs for interacting with royalty or heads of state as a rough starting point: https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family > Greeting a Member of The Royal Family > There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms. The film Landscape with Invisible Hand (2023) explores related concepts in a delightfully weird potential future setting reminiscent to the works of Douglas Adams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_with_Invisible_Hand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_with_Invisible_Hand > Humans struggle in a future economy after aliens come to Earth and become the de facto ruling class. Reminder: Do not make direct eye contact with the Paperclip Maximizer (they/them).

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HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

Nvidia datacenter GPUs support enclave hardware backed encryption and attestation. This shifts your trust to Nvidia, but that's adequate for this scenario.