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Agree with this. When I can take an EV from Colorado across Nebraska into Iowa on one charge they’ll be ready in my eyes. The range right now just isn’t useful.

Agree with this. When I can take an EV from Colorado across Nebraska into Iowa on one charge they’ll be ready in my eyes. The range right now just isn’t useful. There are also barely any charging stations along this route, if at all.

_aavaa_ 3y ago
> in my eyes. The range right now just isn’t useful. According to the department of transportation, only 7% of drivers drive more than 30 miles a day: https://nhts.ornl.gov/vehicle-trips https://nhts.ornl.gov/vehicle-trips The base model 3 has an epa range of 270 miles. Say you cut that in half, that's 135 miles a day. If you personally drive more than 135 miles in one day and don't want to stop to charge, and have serious range anxiety, then EVs aren't ready for you. But your experience and requirements are far outside the norm. > There are also barely any charging stations along this route, if at all. I have not driven that route, but there seem to be plenty of level3 chargers all along that route: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations#/find/route?fuel=ELEC&ev_levels=dc_fast&ev_levels=3&start=colorodo&end=ceder%20rapids https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations#/find/ro...
- latentcall 2y ago
  Sure, there are chargers if you really look for them. Can they add 500 miles in 3 minutes and I'm on my way though?
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  You're looking at the statistics wrong. I can't be bothered to dig in to your link to figure out why, but it's plainly obvious that there's not some huge 93% of people who never drive out of their town. It's probably more like - on 7% of days people drive more than 30 miles, that is to say, basically everyone does it, just not every day.
  - _aavaa_ 3y ago
    Sure, perhaps I could have been more clear with wording (as could the government's website). But the point stands; for the overwhelming majority of the population range anxiety is just that, and anxiety about range rather than a fact-based analysis of the car's ability to meet their needs.
    - kelipso 2y ago
      No, lol. If 5 days out the year I need to make a 400 mile trip, and tons of people do this for Thanksgiving and Christmas, so don't act like this is some strange thing, I am not getting a new car for this. The range anxiety is derived from facts, so stop pretending otherwise.
      - _aavaa_ 2y ago
        I am not pretending that it's a strange thing to do, or that people don't do it. My point is that people don't do it every day. That's a fact. People sometimes drive a 400 mile trip for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Fact. EV being a bad choice because the 2 trips a year that someone makes are longer than it's range: opinion and not fact. First, that's trading the convenience and cost saving associated with the thing you do 98% of the time, with a minor inconvenience for the 2% case. Second, a 400 mile trip will easily take 6 hours of straight driving. At some point you're going to make a pit stop, even if it's to refill on gas since 400 miles is pushing it for a gas car. So the real question is how much longer is that one stop you make (and I highly doubt it will be just one)? Model 3s will charge to full in 25-30 minutes at a supercharger. So the inconvenience is 30 minutes minus however long your break would have anyway. Infrastructure on highways exists, here's just tesla's superchargers [0], and here's all the level 3 chargers [1]. So no, the range anxiety is not based on facts. [0]: https://www.tesla.com/findus https://www.tesla.com/findus [1]: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations
        kelipso 2y ago
        The inconveniences are still very real. The trip distances follow a power law, e.g. 1000 mile trip every 3 years, 400 mile trip twice a year, 100 mile trip 10 times a year, etc. Another example of inconvenience, the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter has convinced me never to go near a pure EV for at least 10 years. The infrastructure and technology is certainly not here now and the infrastructure won't be widely used for 10 years at least. I will let you all be the beta testers.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  One problem I experienced when test driving the mache is that the range estimates are on the lower end when you accelerate too much on the highway. I typically drive in line with other drivers here on the east coast which is 75-80 mph and I was just not getting the range that I was expecting. That contributes to range anxiety.
NewJazz 2y ago
That's... a weird metric. Why do you need to drive 1000 miles on one charge? Are there any gas cars that do that? Seems even a Toyota Camry is unable (700 miles). That's like a 15 hour trip, too... why do you need to do it without any stops? Are you planning on wearing a diaper?
- latentcall 2y ago
  Not weird, have family in Iowa. My car gets about 500 miles per tank on I80 East. When I stop to get gas, it takes me about 5 minutes, maybe 10 if I stop inside and grab a drink or a snack. Can an EV in 2024 with even the best most advanced charging station charge my battery in 3 minutes from say, 10 miles left on the battery to 500? Is there an EV with a range of 500 miles?

_aavaa_ 3y ago

> in my eyes. The range right now just isn’t useful. According to the department of transportation, only 7% of drivers drive more than 30 miles a day: https://nhts.ornl.gov/vehicle-trips https://nhts.ornl.gov/vehicle-trips The base model 3 has an epa range of 270 miles. Say you cut that in half, that's 135 miles a day. If you personally drive more than 135 miles in one day and don't want to stop to charge, and have serious range anxiety, then EVs aren't ready for you. But your experience and requirements are far outside the norm. > There are also barely any charging stations along this route, if at all. I have not driven that route, but there seem to be plenty of level3 chargers all along that route: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations#/find/route?fuel=ELEC&ev_levels=dc_fast&ev_levels=3&start=colorodo&end=ceder%20rapids https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations#/find/ro...

latentcall 2y ago
Sure, there are chargers if you really look for them. Can they add 500 miles in 3 minutes and I'm on my way though?
throwaway22032 3y ago
You're looking at the statistics wrong. I can't be bothered to dig in to your link to figure out why, but it's plainly obvious that there's not some huge 93% of people who never drive out of their town. It's probably more like - on 7% of days people drive more than 30 miles, that is to say, basically everyone does it, just not every day.
- _aavaa_ 3y ago
  Sure, perhaps I could have been more clear with wording (as could the government's website). But the point stands; for the overwhelming majority of the population range anxiety is just that, and anxiety about range rather than a fact-based analysis of the car's ability to meet their needs.
  - kelipso 2y ago
    No, lol. If 5 days out the year I need to make a 400 mile trip, and tons of people do this for Thanksgiving and Christmas, so don't act like this is some strange thing, I am not getting a new car for this. The range anxiety is derived from facts, so stop pretending otherwise.
    - _aavaa_ 2y ago
      I am not pretending that it's a strange thing to do, or that people don't do it. My point is that people don't do it every day. That's a fact. People sometimes drive a 400 mile trip for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Fact. EV being a bad choice because the 2 trips a year that someone makes are longer than it's range: opinion and not fact. First, that's trading the convenience and cost saving associated with the thing you do 98% of the time, with a minor inconvenience for the 2% case. Second, a 400 mile trip will easily take 6 hours of straight driving. At some point you're going to make a pit stop, even if it's to refill on gas since 400 miles is pushing it for a gas car. So the real question is how much longer is that one stop you make (and I highly doubt it will be just one)? Model 3s will charge to full in 25-30 minutes at a supercharger. So the inconvenience is 30 minutes minus however long your break would have anyway. Infrastructure on highways exists, here's just tesla's superchargers [0], and here's all the level 3 chargers [1]. So no, the range anxiety is not based on facts. [0]: https://www.tesla.com/findus https://www.tesla.com/findus [1]: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity-locations
      - kelipso 2y ago
        The inconveniences are still very real. The trip distances follow a power law, e.g. 1000 mile trip every 3 years, 400 mile trip twice a year, 100 mile trip 10 times a year, etc. Another example of inconvenience, the Teslas trapped in the road with no batteries this winter has convinced me never to go near a pure EV for at least 10 years. The infrastructure and technology is certainly not here now and the infrastructure won't be widely used for 10 years at least. I will let you all be the beta testers.
nebula8804 3y ago
One problem I experienced when test driving the mache is that the range estimates are on the lower end when you accelerate too much on the highway. I typically drive in line with other drivers here on the east coast which is 75-80 mph and I was just not getting the range that I was expecting. That contributes to range anxiety.

NewJazz 2y ago

That's... a weird metric. Why do you need to drive 1000 miles on one charge? Are there any gas cars that do that? Seems even a Toyota Camry is unable (700 miles). That's like a 15 hour trip, too... why do you need to do it without any stops? Are you planning on wearing a diaper?

latentcall 2y ago
Not weird, have family in Iowa. My car gets about 500 miles per tank on I80 East. When I stop to get gas, it takes me about 5 minutes, maybe 10 if I stop inside and grab a drink or a snack. Can an EV in 2024 with even the best most advanced charging station charge my battery in 3 minutes from say, 10 miles left on the battery to 500? Is there an EV with a range of 500 miles?