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Yeah, the getting up routine was terrifying. Like something out of a horror movie mixed with the Terminator.

by irrational 2y ago

ImHereToVote 2y ago
I believe the technical term is 'foreshadowing'.
- futureshock 2y ago
  I commented to my partner that it feels like these things will be hunting us down soon. He commented that drones are already hunting people down on the battlefield today. Touché.
consumer451 2y ago
I think it would do us some good to worry as much about the workforce implications of these tools at least as much as we worry about things like AGI/Skynet. Four years ago UBI was being widely discussed. Now as we get closer to needing it, discussion has all but disappeared. IMO, the biggest challenge going forward is not technological, but instead it's convincing powerful, very dogmatic individuals, that what is essentially redistribution of wealth is a necessary thing.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  I wonder if, instead of UBI, it would make more sense to give everyone a small set of robot servants. Say, 6 per person.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    That's interesting, but might lead to even more population decline in the long term. But, that might not be that bad actually. I mean 1B on earth in 200 years might be perfectly fine. Along similar lines, I wondered about generative AI and how legally, it's not able to create copyrightable work. I really like that, it makes humans necessary for the creation intellectual property. Maybe in the future, each child born gets some allocation of AI agents when they turn 18, and the fruits of the labor of those agents would be assigned to that adult?
    - inglor_cz 2y ago
      The robot set could help people in some practical aspects that money can solve too, but in a more complicated way. If you suffer from arthritis and need something from the topmost shelf, you can theoretically find paid help, but it takes some time to arrange and wait for, and most people respond by coping somehow (e.g. limiting their use of furniture to the subset easily reached). A robot could do it for you on demand. That said, maybe people would stop walking altogether, and simply let themselves being carried around their own house by robots. All such conveniences can turn to evil.
- realce 2y ago
  > IMO, the biggest challenge going forward is not technological, but instead it's convincing powerful, very dogmatic individuals, that what is essentially redistribution of wealth is a necessary thing. Funny, I was going to reply about UBI being implemented with something like CBDC, that could be controlled by it's issuer and how it would be less equitable than obtaining money from labor. I was a die-hard Yang2020 person, so I'm very much in favor of UBI, but the implementation is extremely perilous because human evil exists. Maybe we should just make Robot Unions.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    It truly blew my mind that UBI took off like it did back then. It's literal socialism with a different name. The whole thing is going to be a lot to wrap our collective heads around. It will not be an easy path. I mean, my family escaped communism. I felt dirty as heck writing "redistribution of wealth" in my previous comment. The funny thing here is that we are at a period in the history of capitalism where it has succeeded so wildly, that it's about to make it's core societal tenants obsolete.

Yeah, the getting up routine was terrifying. Like something out of a horror movie mixed with the Terminator.

ImHereToVote 2y ago

I believe the technical term is 'foreshadowing'.

futureshock 2y ago
I commented to my partner that it feels like these things will be hunting us down soon. He commented that drones are already hunting people down on the battlefield today. Touché.

consumer451 2y ago

I think it would do us some good to worry as much about the workforce implications of these tools at least as much as we worry about things like AGI/Skynet. Four years ago UBI was being widely discussed. Now as we get closer to needing it, discussion has all but disappeared. IMO, the biggest challenge going forward is not technological, but instead it's convincing powerful, very dogmatic individuals, that what is essentially redistribution of wealth is a necessary thing.

inglor_cz 2y ago
I wonder if, instead of UBI, it would make more sense to give everyone a small set of robot servants. Say, 6 per person.
- consumer451 2y ago
  That's interesting, but might lead to even more population decline in the long term. But, that might not be that bad actually. I mean 1B on earth in 200 years might be perfectly fine. Along similar lines, I wondered about generative AI and how legally, it's not able to create copyrightable work. I really like that, it makes humans necessary for the creation intellectual property. Maybe in the future, each child born gets some allocation of AI agents when they turn 18, and the fruits of the labor of those agents would be assigned to that adult?
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    The robot set could help people in some practical aspects that money can solve too, but in a more complicated way. If you suffer from arthritis and need something from the topmost shelf, you can theoretically find paid help, but it takes some time to arrange and wait for, and most people respond by coping somehow (e.g. limiting their use of furniture to the subset easily reached). A robot could do it for you on demand. That said, maybe people would stop walking altogether, and simply let themselves being carried around their own house by robots. All such conveniences can turn to evil.
realce 2y ago
> IMO, the biggest challenge going forward is not technological, but instead it's convincing powerful, very dogmatic individuals, that what is essentially redistribution of wealth is a necessary thing. Funny, I was going to reply about UBI being implemented with something like CBDC, that could be controlled by it's issuer and how it would be less equitable than obtaining money from labor. I was a die-hard Yang2020 person, so I'm very much in favor of UBI, but the implementation is extremely perilous because human evil exists. Maybe we should just make Robot Unions.
- consumer451 2y ago
  It truly blew my mind that UBI took off like it did back then. It's literal socialism with a different name. The whole thing is going to be a lot to wrap our collective heads around. It will not be an easy path. I mean, my family escaped communism. I felt dirty as heck writing "redistribution of wealth" in my previous comment. The funny thing here is that we are at a period in the history of capitalism where it has succeeded so wildly, that it's about to make it's core societal tenants obsolete.