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What's the non-grid energy use?
by robertlagrant 3y ago
What's the non-grid energy use?
- pfdietz 3y agoTransportation, industry, maybe heating.
- robertlagrant 3y agoHow is that relevant in this context, though? Why is it bad faith when we're talking about grid-supplied electricity generation? We need electricity generation, and most of France's is nuclear. It seems uncontroversial.
- pfdietz 3y agoIt's because the "if it hasn't been done, it can't be done" argument applies to nuclear displacing fossil fuels. Remember, the decarbonization goal has to be all uses of fossil fuels, not just their use for the grid.
- robertlagrant 3y agoI honestly think we have crossed wires. I don't think anyone here is saying things can't be done based on history.
- pfdietz 3y agoI have repeatedly and literally seen this argument applied to renewables. I've even seen it on HN.
- krimskrams 3y agoAre you confusing electricity generation with electricity use? If we're counting off-grid electricity generation, then we're talking about A) critical infrastructure like utilities or B) off-grid homes or communities which typically use solar panels, small wind turbines or gas/biogas to generate their own power. The off-grid portion most likely make up a tiny portion of France's energy mix, which is dominated by nuclear (>50%).
- pfdietz 3y agoNo, I'm talking about energy use that doesn't involve electricity production at all. It potentially could be electrified in many cases, but that doesn't reduce the hypocrisy of the selective "if it hasn't been done it can't be done" mindset.